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Well, after putting some miles on my new Penske, I'm ready to give it a fair review.

The short version is - get one; you won't regret it. It's transformative.

The long version is it feels so much better than the OEM air shock that I have gone through two of. No more worrying about a flat shock now though. It just soaks up the potholes and bumps. I noticed the back end doesn't track in the grooves like before either.

MBX was right; now I want to do the front end but that's money I don't currently have. Maybe next year. I hope so.

I did hit a couple snags while installing it. The spacers were a little too wide so I had to grind them down to fit the clevis or the clevis was too narrow. The end result was the same. The other thing was there were no instructions to install on an X-bike so I had to kinda wing it. It wasn't really much different than the OEM shock but the bottom clevis has an angle to it that needs to point forward. It would have been good to know that so I didn't have to pull the top main pin a second time. Other than that; it came pre-adjusted and I'm happy with it the way it is. I have an adjustable lowering link set to one inch lower and it works perfectly with it.

It feels like it won't be an issue to take a passenger or load it for touring but I won't know for sure until I cross that bridge.

I can recommend this but must warn you that you will probably want to do the front end as soon as you can. For under $2k you can have the most amazing bagger or touring bike around but this $730 shock will get you half way there.

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Hmmm there ya have it folks!
and theres room to upgrade my already magnificent Kingpin USD fork set though stock its not lacking.
Kingpin front Ive added is as good as stock as my heavily modded Vegas front end hNdlingwise with bonus comfort factor thrown it.... how long a stock setup keeps performing well is anyones guess but from past experience suspensions degrade so slowly that theyre sloppy without ya realizing they are....only when ya upgrade do ya realise what yr missing out on.
Im hauling less weight on my steel frame too I guess and from looking at the breakdown on that site for frontends the Kingpin USDs may be superior stock to the XC forks...interesting.
Missing my Vic, got all the tinware and plastics yesterday ready for a custom repaint...bike parts should arrive 22nd.
 

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MBX; your Vegas has to be the most rebuilt Victory around due to one thing or another. Hopefully this will be the last time though.

I think I will simply pull the forks and do a regular oil change and seal change on them this winter. The seals are leaking anyway and the trick with the plastic thing didn't work. That might be all I really need. I'd still like to do the Traxxion upgrade at some point though.

I forgot to mention the bike tracks so much nicer in the sweeps now too with the new Penske. It wasn't bad before but it's even better now. I wouldn't mind doing a rear shock upgrade on the Kingpin now too.
 

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from looking at the breakdown on that site for frontends the Kingpin USDs may be superior stock to the XC forks...interesting.
From what you can see, MBX, what is different between the KP, Hammer, and X-bike front ends. I know they "look" the same but internally; are there different springs and other parts. One would think the X-bikes would simply have stiffer springs to handle the extra weight but I really don't know.

I rebuilt a set of KP forks about 5 years ago; my other 04 - not the one I have now so I have the spring compressor and just need to watch a YouTube video to refresh my memory on how to do it. I know it goes fairly quick once the front wheel, calipers, and fender is off. I already have the Amsoil fork oil too.
 

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From what you can see, MBX, what is different between the KP, Hammer, and X-bike front ends. I know they "look" the same but internally; are there different springs and other parts. One would think the X-bikes would simply have stiffer springs to handle the extra weight but I really don't know.

I rebuilt a set of KP forks about 5 years ago; my other 04 - not the one I have now so I have the spring compressor and just need to watch a YouTube video to refresh my memory on how to do it. I know it goes fairly quick once the front wheel, calipers, and fender is off. I already have the Amsoil fork oil too.
ok yeah Ive never rebuilt any USD forks and my Vegas was my first foray into front end rebuilds ever, did it in stages so been apart a few times...Firstly just the change fork oil then to fit gold valves and drill damper rods and then to fit Progressive springs and again cos I cut the spacers too long and ended up with practically no give in my forks at all!:eek
\Got it all perfecto in the end.....and then along came a killer deal on chrome USD Kingpin front.
So I got a spare worked Vegas front end.....If I keep the XS650 it may well end up on it:smile

XS had a shakedown run the other day, but stranded me, battery not charging!
needs alternator rotor rewinding,...found a bloke in my capital city that rewinds em for a lazy sixty bucks but hes on hols till the 23rd...will almost have my Vegas back by then (hopefully)
So gonna be a daytime rider with lights off running total loss on the XS650 till then.
If ya wanna appreciate what ya got just take an old XS650 for a ride...or a C90:devil
Better things to come.
Blame the dog blame the u-turning car, but I always turn negatives into positives and come out the other end smiling:grin
 

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@BBob Too get this straight.... this shock comes pre-adjusted based on the weight you provide when ordering, correct? How is the Penske shock adjustable if you want to carry a passenger and\or luggage? It looks like you'll have to get in the wheel well with a spanner wrench to move the collars..? Which seems like a major pain in the ass.
I ask because, I constantly have changing loads and if I don't adjust for it, even with my bike at the factory ride height, I feel a big difference in handling and will scrape the crap out of my pipes if I take a pillion and the shock is at my solo riding pressure.
 

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I still can't see how those shocks fail. Mine has been up and down my crapped rutted and generously pot holed mile of dirt road for 124,000 miles and still works fine. I run it around 40 PSI and fill it very carefully.
 

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@BBob Too get this straight.... this shock comes pre-adjusted based on the weight you provide when ordering, correct? How is the Penske shock adjustable if you want to carry a passenger and\or luggage? It looks like you'll have to get in the wheel well with a spanner wrench to move the collars..? Which seems like a major pain in the ass.
I ask because, I constantly have changing loads and if I don't adjust for it, even with my bike at the factory ride height, I feel a big difference in handling and will scrape the crap out of my pipes if I take a pillion and the shock is at my solo riding pressure.
You could do what I do.
Set the sag for two-up riding and accept the fact its gonna be a bit harder when you're solo,
if you're anything like me you possibly ride quicker solo anyway so firmer suspension won't be a worry.
Access to my shock is comparatively a lot easier yet I just leave mine on the 2-up setting and it's all good:smile
 

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@BBob Too get this straight.... this shock comes pre-adjusted based on the weight you provide when ordering, correct? How is the Penske shock adjustable if you want to carry a passenger and\or luggage? It looks like you'll have to get in the wheel well with a spanner wrench to move the collars..? Which seems like a major pain in the ass.
I ask because, I constantly have changing loads and if I don't adjust for it, even with my bike at the factory ride height, I feel a big difference in handling and will scrape the crap out of my pipes if I take a pillion and the shock is at my solo riding pressure.
MBX basically gave the best answer I think or you could set it a little lighter to find a happy medium. I guess it depends a lot on your passengers weight and how much extra weight your luggage is.

The shock is also progressive so the more weight on it the more progressively tight the spring becomes. I haven't had a chance to test it with a passenger and have no idea when I will. I have no concerns about added luggage/trunk/etc. though.

I still can't see how those shocks fail. Mine has been up and down my crapped rutted and generously pot holed mile of dirt road for 124,000 miles and still works fine. I run it around 40 PSI and fill it very carefully.
I don't know either; only that two of them have gone bad on me. After I removed the stock air shock I put it on a table. The next day oil had somehow leaked out all over the table so apparently a seal went bad.

Now I did live in a very hot dry climate where it frequently gets into the 120's and gets over 110 every day for months at a time. That climate is brutal on anything fabric, plastic, or rubber.

I too was careful filling it up using a Fox hand pump made just for filling air shocks. I ran it at 50 psi because I have the bike lowered one inch in the back.

It really does feel like a new bike the way the back end feels now. I'm highly motivated to rebuild the front end with new seals and oil now to see if I can get back that new front end feel.

As we know; suspension deteriorates at such a slow rate we can't tell it has gone bad. We simply get used to the change as it slowly happens. We only notice the difference after putting in a good shock or rebuild the front forks or upgrade them. You would likely notice the difference far more than most due to the dirt road you ride on so often.

I like that this Penske shock is rebuildable indefinitely. To my knowledge; no one is rebuilding the stock air shocks. If someone does; I'll send them mine so I have a good one to put back on the bike when or if I ever sell this bike because I can sell most the addon parts for a lot more than selling them with the bike. I'll probably pass on to the next life still owning these bikes though. No intention of selling either one. Till the wheels fall off as they say. :)
 

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Well...... If I ever do buy a Progressive shock I'll just tell them I weigh 450lbs ..... LMAO :laugh
 

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Well...... If I ever do buy a Progressive shock I'll just tell them I weigh 450lbs ..... LMAO :laugh
Funny you should say that. I listed 40 lbs more. I've read others order them at 80 lbs more. That might be the ticket.

The shock did come with an "L" shaped tool to adjust for the load but also read others have not had to make any adjustments or made some at the beginning then forgot about it.

I look forward to putting more miles on it...
 

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I still can't see how those shocks fail. Mine has been up and down my crapped rutted and generously pot holed mile of dirt road for 124,000 miles and still works fine. I run it around 40 PSI and fill it very carefully.
I suspect when the oem shock fails it simply spills out its oil. I only have a little over 54K miles on my CCT but have never had an issue with the stock shock. I typically check it every 3 or 4 weeks and never have to add more than a few pounds. Right now my wife isn't riding and I have the trunk off so being able to quickly and easily adjust the psi with the oem shock is for me, a very nice thing.

If I were going to spend $750 on my CCT I'd put that towards a Revolution Performance 117" kit. For the $2K it would take to get the rear shock and the forks rebuilt I could buy the 117" kit and also either get my throttle body bored out or some head work done.

I love that Victory owners have after market options for things like suspension. But for me, at this time, I'm fine with the oem rear shock and changing my fork oil as per the schedule. Maybe I'll try a heavier fork oil when I get to 60K miles though.
 

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My shock went out at around 1000 miles if I remember right, hadn't ownd the bike long at all. Was dropping hydrolic oil out of it and found out while riding with some buddies in north GA when the rear end of my bike kept slipping on me in curves. The damn fluid was slinging onto the rear tire! Got it replaced under warranty and have not had a problem since. I think if mine went out again I would probably go back with the OEM one if they are still available just because of how much I adjust the load.
 

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WHOA @TNXR only 1000 miles, my CCT did 10.000 Km and the shock still holds pressure.... Hope i'm lucky

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For guys who go from one extreme to another in overall load; a finely tuned spring shock may not be for you. In fact I would likely look into the Arnott system with the onboard compressor.

I don't change loads very much and adding a hundred pounds in luggage won't change the ride too much. Now a 175 lb passenger AND a 100 lbs of luggage is another story. That would require some adjustment. Of course a choice could be made to set it for that load and accept the stiffer ride when not having it so no adjustment would be necessary but that is subjective.

If I were taking a passenger and the amount of luggage needed for a week long trip; I'd likely be pulling a little luggage trailer so the weight wouldn't be on the bike.
 

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on your new shock is there some kind of markings so you know how stiff or soft you have made it. Heck even where your starting point was.

I put the vision away in Oct and pull it out in April or May. It sit in the unheated garage and come spring I get ready to add air and in the last four years my records show it has lost 2 to 3 pounds. Why do some fail and others don't
 

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on your new shock is there some kind of markings so you know how stiff or soft you have made it. Heck even where your starting point was.

Not that I could see but it would be easy enough to make a mark.

I put the vision away in Oct and pull it out in April or May. It sit in the unheated garage and come spring I get ready to add air and in the last four years my records show it has lost 2 to 3 pounds. Why do some fail and others don't
I'd like to know why that is too. I wouldn't have upgraded the shock if the stock one hadn't gone bad (a second time). I'm glad I did now that I feel the significant difference but other things have a higher priority to spend money on.
 

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Thinking about this a little more, I'm wondering if the shock goes to zero psi one time and a person rides it, it trashes a seal a little bit every time it hits a bump and bottoms out until it won't hold air for more than a little while; maybe a couple of hours or not at all.

The first one lasted only 6 months or so and the second one 6 years or so. With both it was the same; the shock stopped holding air for more than a couple of hours. Is it a quality control issue, a user error, or something else? Why does one shock only lose a few psi over 4 or 5 months while another loses a few psi a week?

We may never know but I do know one thing; I don't have to worry about it at all anymore. :) Now it's time for a nice 120+ mile ride. It's 66 up here today and 74 down the hill. I'm heading down the hill for a bit. Cheers!
 

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Thinking about this a little more, I'm wondering if the shock goes to zero psi one time and a person rides it, it trashes a seal a little bit every time it hits a bump and bottoms out until it won't hold air for more than a little while; maybe a couple of hours or not at all.

The first one lasted only 6 months or so and the second one 6 years or so. With both it was the same; the shock stopped holding air for more than a couple of hours. Is it a quality control issue, a user error, or something else? Why does one shock only lose a few psi over 4 or 5 months while another loses a few psi a week?

We may never know but I do know one thing; I don't have to worry about it at all anymore. :) Now it's time for a nice 120+ mile ride. It's 66 up here today and 74 down the hill. I'm heading down the hill for a bit. Cheers!
It seems to me victory parts were made abundantly in china, the parts I found in China,

1, LED headlights, with a V printed inside them.... Don't tell me the Victory ones are made in America

2, Break & Clutch levers

3. Aftermarket Chees wedge

4. All the wiring harness was done in China,

So it wouldn't surprise me if the rear shock was mass-produced for "something" and victory made it work o-cheap-o for there bikes....

As good and solid as these bikes are, there are some cheap parts on it, like all the engine bolts... All my jap bikes were parked in the rain, snow & sun, but the engine's bolts did not look as bad as victory quality

PS, i love my victory, so don't give me a hard time, ha ha ha

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The shock is KYB. I wonder if its something to do with how the shock reacts to a pot hole blow. O while will never know.
 
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