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Pickup drivers in Kentucky aren't none too hospitable. Good thing the bike in back had a video camera to capture that @$$hole's antics. I'd like to see the second reel when the cops arrive and 'splains things to that pickup driving jerk. Be careful out there my friends.:mad:
 

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Even though the truck driver was a jerk and I think his actions were wrong.

The guy on the crotch rocket passed illegally. He tried to pass on double solid yellow lines.

I'm sure the video was not continued because the guy on the bike probably was cited for wreckless driving.

The truck driver could have gotten assault with a deadly weapon for trying to run that guy off the road.


The video incriminates both the rider and truck driver.

If the guy on the bike didn't try to pass illegally none of that would have happened.

Thats what makes all bikers look bad!
 

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Diamond, I don't disagree with your staement. However, there is an old saying: Drive your own car. How many times have each of us witnessed a driver or rider doing something idiotic? Did we attempt to show them "what for?" Hardly, because we used better judgement - or call it self control. Yeah, I saw that the lead bike passed on the double yellow, but I also saw that he had plenty of sight distance. After Jimmah Carter and his hench woman, Joan Claybrook, devoted hundreds of millions of our dollars to paint the roads of this entire country with double yellow lines - even on straightaways - I too have done my fair share of crossing those damnable lines. And I willl continue to do so.
 

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I guess I've grown to be much more patient on my bike. I don't how bad ass a person is or thinks they are, a few hundred pounds against 2 tons or more is no contest.

The guy on the lead bike was speeding excessively, driving recklessly and passing illegally.

It does NOT justify the actions of the truck driver but either way the guy on the bike was wrong.

As I've said, its those kinds of riders that make us all look bad.

Lets just say that the guy on the bike went down on that pass and ends up a quadriplegic.

The truck driver would be wrong no doubt BUT if the guy on the bike had been obeying the law from the start it would not have happened!
 

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Actually, he did not pass illegally.



In their area, there is a law that states a motorcycle can pass on a double yellow if they have a clear sight path and it is safe. Much like many states allow bikes to run a red light if you sit for a while and don't trigger the sensor.





the after story:

the two riders called the cops and met up with them a bit later and the cop proceeded to do nothing about it.

they sent the video to the KY state police and are waiting to see if anything will be done.

the video took place on Sunday so it could be a while before anything else happens.











Newest update posted by the rider with the camera:


Ok all,I'm the one filming and want to clear up a few issues I have with some of the comments/critisum being thown around from people that weren't there and don't know us.
#1 We/rider 1 most definitely not squids.farthest from that.40yrs old professionals with families.No stuntaz and lots of tracktime.
#2 No Isle of Mann TT going on.No backroad racing EVER!!!!
#3 We are always considerate of locals and understand some don't like bikes always rolling through their hood.EX rolling past a church on Sunday.
#4 We didn't thump his ass because we got our emotions in check and there were lots of witnesses at the stop.They would have seen 2 bikers beating one poor defensless hilljack.Would have just made the situiation worse.10 yrs ago different reaction.Alot more at stake now.Wanted the law involved also.
#5 We were not speeding in excess.55mph limit.Pace was maybe 50-65 from highest to lowest speeds.
#6 Slow moving vehicles are allowed to be passed on a double yellow if it is in a reasonable area and does not endanger oncoming traffic.Plenty of visible road as seen on vid.150+yards
#7 Truck was not doing the speed limit.
#8 We did not block him in.Would you want to be sitting on your bike as someone attacks you.no threats toward Billyray.I damn near jumped off my bike and almost didn't get stopped and kickstand down.
#9 I have been in contact with authorities and they want this POS off the road before he kills someone.They don't care about the pass.
#10 The pass didn't set this guy off.He "hates sportbikes and wants to take HIS roads back""we (sportbikes) ran his mom off the road" This assmonkey was going to attempt something if we passed or not.I'm 100%sure of it.
#11 I followed him cause it was the way home,to call authorities when he wrecked or killed an oncoming individual,I knew rider one would be waiting at the stop.he waited not to leave me alone with psycho blueboy.
#12 I can't believe this has become so popular.Wow!!!
#13 No arrest made.
#14 Truck was not his
#15 hell lost my train of thought
#16 We would love to just ride the track,as soon as my 7.6 mile 45 turn track in my backyard is completed,and I get my millions in order so I don't have to work to provide food for my family,I won't get back on public roads.I know the track is were its at.
#17 I see it that billy used his truck as a weapon and had every intention of producing great harm or killing biker 1.No different then shooting at someone and missing.
#18 I have my CCW licence.Thought about packing before the ride just didn't.That iron+ blueboy didn't scare me.I'm well versed in handing out beatdowns.
#19 I was scared shitless riding behind BB and being a witness to a fatal MVA at the hands of this asshat and not being able to do anything about it.
#20 Thats about all I have as of now.

Later all.Please be safe and be courteous to others on the road.A few bad apples give us all a bad name.
Please don't make any assumptions and this is my friend and myself issue with BB.
 

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I stand corrected.

However he is saying they didn't go over 60mph. Everything seems to be passing to point at a greater speed.

The speed on those curves before they approached the truck was 35. They were leaning pretty good for 35mph.

Personally I think the guys on the bike are not as innocent as they are trying to make themselves out to be.
 

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I would have to say that I agree with Diamond on this one. Nothing can excuse what the guy in the pickup did, however, It does not appear that the bikers were being as safe as they could have been.
 

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The speed on those curves before they approached the truck was 35. They were leaning pretty good for 35mph.
If you will notice, the signs were yellow/orange. This is a suggested cautionary safe speed limit in times of bad weather/visability. It is not a mandatory speed limit.

Personally I think the guys on the bike are not as innocent as they are trying to make themselves out to be.
You may be quite right, however, two wrongs never make a right. The cage driver should be punished for his attempted manslaughter/murder, stalking, and menacing the public. Any speeding that the first biker was doing, so was the cage; he couldn't even keep his truck on his side of the road while he was in "hot pursuit".
 

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Y'all must be watching a different video than the rest of us :D

One bike passed, safely (if they were being douches, both would have started to go around him at high speed), and the guy tried to hit rider one and take him down.

The truck was going under the speed limit, they were legally allowed to pass, and again... it's not like the bike rocketed past him, he was performing a safe pass, didn't even gun the bike to do it.

Biker one tried to shake the psycho, but still didn't go into excessive speeds because that would have been unsafe as well. Biker two stayed behind to make the situation "safer" plus document the incident(s).

When possible, biker one pulled over and stopped. Neither acted out, even when being threatened, hell... they didn't even talk ****. They remained composed, just as they did while riding.
 

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I agree that what the truck driver did was dead wrong. That being said, if it was me...Coming up on a vehicle as fast as those two riders were, I would have given it a minute before I tried to pass. If the truck driver didn't look in his rear view for 20-30 seconds he may not have even known there was a bike approaching. On county roads like that many people cross the center line during their normal driving. I am not saying the riders were doing something illegal, but if I was in their position I would have been a little more careful.
 

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I agree that what the truck driver did was dead wrong. That being said, if it was me...Coming up on a vehicle as fast as those two riders were, I would have given it a minute before I tried to pass. If the truck driver didn't look in his rear view for 20-30 seconds he may not have even known there was a bike approaching. On county roads like that many people cross the center line during their normal driving. I am not saying the riders were doing something illegal, but if I was in their position I would have been a little more careful.
Watch the video again. The cage driver stayed in his lane through the curve just prior the the biker passing him. It was in the stretch of straight road following that curve that the biker started to pass the cage, and where the cage proceeded into the incoming traffic lane in an attempt to cut off the biker.

The idiot began his high speed pursuit of the biker after he was passed; this demonstrates his malevolence and intent. The cager is a mental case, and should be punished for what he attempted to do.

As an aside, I will not stay behind a pickup truck that is carrying an ATV in the bed; you are betting your life on the cagers ability to properly secure what is essentially a dolly that weighs 600-1000 lbs. That's a bet that I want no part of; if it comes loose, it's gonna leave a mark.
 

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WTF!!!! I would have beat his a$$ and torched his POS truck and 4 wheeler. Just my .02.
 

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I am not sure why you guys keep arguing your point. As I said more than once, I AGREE with you about what happened. I am just saying that if it was me on the bike, I would have done it differently.
 

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Y'all must be watching a different video than the rest of us :D

One bike passed, safely (if they were being douches, both would have started to go around him at high speed), and the guy tried to hit rider one and take him down.

The truck was going under the speed limit, they were legally allowed to pass, and again... it's not like the bike rocketed past him, he was performing a safe pass, didn't even gun the bike to do it.

Biker one tried to shake the psycho, but still didn't go into excessive speeds because that would have been unsafe as well. Biker two stayed behind to make the situation "safer" plus document the incident(s).

When possible, biker one pulled over and stopped. Neither acted out, even when being threatened, hell... they didn't even talk ****. They remained composed, just as they did while riding.
That's the way I see it as well.
 

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that's pretty ridiculous.

my position: riding fast is not an invitation for death threats. i'd say that's an inappropriate response. a one finger salute will do just fine, thank you.
 

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We can all sit here and talk about our opinions on the matter for days.

I do have to agree that I will not ride behind ANY vehicle carrying a load and that includes a semi.

Case in point. A couple of years ago my girl and I were merging on a freeway interchange.

As we were merging there was a truck carrying a load that was on 4x10's.

I LEGALLY passed the truck in the left lane. As I was veering left a 4x10 fell off the back of the truck.

Had I not began a pass I most definitely would have gone down in a bad way.

Saying that, there is a stretch of road about 20 miles from Wheatland to Lincoln, CA. It is a double solid yellow lined road.

One lane each direction. Its nothing but farmland. When I am behind a vehicle carrying a load, I BACK off. I don't attempt to pass.

Thats just me because as far as I know in California it is illegal to cross double solid yellow lines to pass.
 

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If I get behind a truck carring a load not going the speed limit I'll pass him so fast it will make your head spin. Illegal or not.
 

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Rewatch the video, at 4min and 23 seconds the driver of the pickup is left of center as another bike is approaching him. The truck returns to his lane after nearly running the bike off the road. This appeared intentional to me. This shows, to me at least, that the truck driver intended to crash the biker that passed him at the start of the video along with the approaching bike at the noted time. That is how I see it.
Numerous times over the years I have been riding along minding my own business and vehicles have crossed the centerline as they approached as if to try and run me off the road. I have seen them laughing as they did this.
Bottom line, be careful and stay aware at all times. There are some real nut cased out there, cages and bikes.
 
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