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I have a Gunner, Had it from when they first came out...
I'm very disappointed with performance of the 106 in stock form ..
ie; The red line is way too low at 54/55 hundred RPM's,
My question is will a stage 1 raise the red line on the Gunner.?...
 

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Stage 1 wont raise anything but the cost and maybe a few HP. I'm not sure anything is going to change the stroke (RPM's) of the engine. Just curious why you are revving so high? If you look at the Dyno charts for most of the bikes the peak HP is 3500 to 4500 and torque is at 4500- 4800.
 

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I don't believe so. I think you will need a fuel controller like a PC5 or PC3 and then someone to unlock the red line limiter. At least that is what I believe I read somewhere. I think you can do it without the controller but it would be to lean.
 

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I have a Gunner, Had it from when they first came out...
I'm very disappointed with performance of the 106 in stock form ..
ie; The red line is way too low at 54/55 hundred RPM's,
My question is will a stage 1 raise the red line on the Gunner.?...
nope,,,so called Stage One is a bit more noise and any seat of the pants increase is mostly illusion.
Pointless raising the redline on a basically stock engine as the torque is already plummeting downward from 4250 and HPs starting to flatline.
Get a decent intake and pipes, timing wheel and a PCV and the PCV can raise the limiter, had mine upped by 500rpm but really its just pissing in the wind without hotter cams.
Add cams to the mix and raise the limiter to around 6500 is the go I think...theres others here that have such setups and are better qualified to give figures.
I hope to have cams and more cubes soon on mine, then its back into the dyno again to tickle up the PCV, and gain some healthy upper rev range.
On a fairly stock bike aka Stage One youre probably better off to just grab the next gear once past peak torque.
JMHO
 

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The reason i asked is on my Tri-Glide 103 the red line was about the same as the Gunner... Put a stage 1 in and that bumped it to 64 hundred ...So when i have to pass a row of cars on a 2 lane road, I'm not bouncing off the red line in the lower gears... I guess its apples to oranges, But the 103 keep's on pulling all the way to 64 hundred..
 

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stage 1 will add 2% more fuel and 2% more timing. All for $175 bucks. One of Victorys biggest jokes for new customers to believe in.
You want to change your red line send your ECM to Lloydz and he can change it for a little over $200 bucks
 

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Look up Lloydz Motorworks.

They have many performance enhancements all the way from air intakes to 129 cubic inch engines and superchargers.


Go hard or go home...


 

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A higher redline doesn't mean you're making any more power or that the engine is producing usable power at the higher RPM. The torque curve on a Harley 103 starts dropping just as soon as a Freedom 106 if not sooner and the 106, especially in the steel frame bikes, makes more grunt anyway. Might could be the HD was geared wider, which is possible since the 103 does start building good torque at a lower RPM than the 106. That would would allow one to get away with a roll-on in a higher gear.
 

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Put in Loyddz time wheel set it +4,get good pipes,good intake,PCV and a good dyno tune.You wont need to over rev your Gunner and it will pull away and away from you HD
 

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A higher redline doesn't mean you're making any more power or that the engine is producing usable power at the higher RPM. The torque curve on a Harley 103 starts dropping just as soon as a Freedom 106 if not sooner and the 106, especially in the steel frame bikes, makes more grunt anyway. Might could be the HD was geared wider, which is possible since the 103 does start building good torque at a lower RPM than the 106. That would would allow one to get away with a roll-on in a higher gear.
Yep my 103...At 22 hundred in 4th when i crack the throttle will get up and go...On flat ground i can run all day in 6th at 25 hundred around town..Couldn't do that before the Stage 1.. The 106 seems to me under stressed /Under geared..
 

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rev limits are there to protect the motor. The rotating mass of any motor has rpm limits based on weight and number of parts etc.
4 cylinder engines have tighter reciprocating assemblies and smaller pistons so therefore can spin faster...safely.
The engineers have programmed those limits so their warranties are not used. You'll want to beef up the internals if you want the motor to spin faster.
 
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rev limits are there to protect the motor. The rotating mass of any motor has rpm limits based on weight and number of parts etc.
4 cylinder engines have tighter reciprocating assemblies and smaller pistons so therefore can spin faster...safely.
The engineers have programmed those limits so their warranties are not used. You'll want to beef up the internals if you want the motor to spin faster.
The Harley Stage 1.. That raises the rev limiter [red line]
From 55 hundred to 64 hundred.. Is fully warranted.
No beefing up is done or necessary..
 

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The Harley Stage 1.. That raises the rev limiter [red line]
From 55 hundred to 64 hundred.. Is fully warranted.
No beefing up is done or necessary..
There are THREE twisted Harley crankshafts on the bench at the local shop... Oh no, they don't need beefing up. Spin that mother up!

Disappointed in your Victory? Sell that piece of ****, get another Harley, and put one of those glorious stage 1 packages on it from the Screamin' Eagle catalog... We'll all be happier.
 

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A higher redline doesn't mean you're making any more power or that the engine is producing usable power at the higher RPM.
Agreed! If the engine's power is rolling over at 5000 rpm, reving it to 6000 is counterproductive to best acceleration.

People think that more is better. If +4 on the timing wheel is good, then +6 must be better, right? If 5500 rpm is good, 6400 must be better, right?

My engine is built up some. It will spin to 6800 rpm. Guess what? I get best acceleration when I shift at 5900 rpm.

When I first extended the rev limit from the stock 5800 rpm limit... it didn't do a damned thing for me. Best 1/4 mile ET was achieved when shifted at 5600 rpm.

Go figure....

The shifter... USE IT. Instead of fighting the rev limiter (and losing the fight) shift to the next higher gear BEFORE the rev limit. Apparently, more rpm is not the answer.
 

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If the 106 on a light bike like the gunner is not powerful enough for you then you should definitely be looking for another bike. My XR is a couple hundred more pounds heavier than your gunner and in stock form my 106 has all the power I would really ever need. Maybe something is wrong with your bike?
 

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My original question was ;Does the Stage 1 from Victory increase the red line...
I guess the answer is no....
6-2- Charley Out.......
 

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My original question was ;Does the Stage 1 from Victory increase the red line...
I guess the answer is no....
6-2- Charley Out.......
Yeah rhino the answer is definitely NO

Didn't you read our answers?
 

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Yeah, Stage 1 doesn't change the limiter. Without a PCV you're just gonna hafta lift your left big toe. Otherwise, maybe consider a Can-Am or a Honda CTX or something. Personally, I don't consider accelerating faster than I can shift a problem with the bike. I've hit limiter, but only in the first three gears.
 

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Since my torquetubes, timing wheel and PCV with dyno tune (already had FreedomPerformanceslash pipes)
With revlimit raised 500rpm I've never hit the limiter, I change up by feel,.. cos revving the ring out of it is slower than grabbing another gear.
In the heat of the moment it's human nature to just keep revving it, but the trick is to change up a bit earlier.
 
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