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Cops get off on the Rodney King assault and the thugs riot in LA

GZ gets off and again the thugs come out in Cali.

OJ gets off with premeditated murder and you here nothing of a riot. You dont hear of anyone from the WHITE SHEPARDS putting a price on his head. lol

The white people are slowly becoming the minority. HaHa do you think we will ever get a card SOMEDAY....yea right lmao

We will have WET white entertainment TV..do it now its racist
We will have Miss White Universe..do it now its racist
How about a movie thats title " Black men cant swim"

It would be seen as racist. The black community does it and our weak ass leaders allow it--> its OK.

I call Double standard BS. when will we ever get out from underneath this crap..NEVER they dont want us to. Thats why they continue to divide and cause trouble for this world..Not just here but people around the world from different ethnic back grounds and beliefs deal with this all the time..Evil lurkes in the hearts of men who will have it.

Just like this-Google it

17 year old White Marley Lion killed by a 30 year old black man in 2012--whats the difference ?
 

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17 year old White Marley Lion killed by a 30 year old black man in 2012--whats the difference ?
One difference that pops out at me is that the police are actively trying to catch Marley Lion's killer(s) and bring them to justice. The cops had and released GZ without filing any charges. Not saying they were wrong in doing so, but to a community who just lost an unarmed minor for the crime of walking thru his neighborhood after dark, I can see how doing it might offend said community.
 

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The cops had and released GZ without filing any charges. Not saying they were wrong in doing so, but to a community who just lost an unarmed minor for the crime of walking thru his neighborhood after dark, I can see how doing it might offend said community.
Saddlebag...I think you and I are on the same side of issues MOST of the time, but I respectfully disagree this time in this case.

GZ was arrested because of political correctness and pressure by the Black community. Pure and simple, the verdict bears this out.

An unarmed MINOR that enjoyed fighting and took pleasure in beating down his opponents. He was also a 2x a week pot smoker and did indeed have it in his system during this altercation. Other evidence that was not allowed in BECAUSE THE PROSECUTION withheld it until trial time were the thousands of hidden TEXTS about fighting and guns and also about 600 pictures that were also hidden...some of which are reported to be pornographic.

I agree that age 17 is TOO YOUNG to die. But, so is age 27. Both MEN (and yes, Trayvon Martin was a young MAN), both of them were responsible for EVERYTHING that happened. Trayvon was responsible for the BEATDOWN of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman was responsible for the shooting.

At what point during an altercation of having your head smashed against concrete do you make the decision to let the young man to continue to beat you...or do you do what you have to do to survive.

If this was a BOY as some are arguing...then why didn't he respect the AUTHORITY of an older man. He didn't, he sucker punched the man and then beat him until something STUPIDLY drastic had to be done.

Had Trayvon KILLED George Zimmerman, do you think they would have tried him as a juvenile OR as an ADULT.

Take heart though Saddlebag...we agree on most everything else. :)
 

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I have to agree with Okie, Black on White crime gets very little, if any media attention but any time it's White on Black crime it's always a hate crime according to the media and our leaders, I grew up in an area of the country where whites and blacks lived in the same community without incident or folly but I now live in an area where if the law pulls over a black person for speeding they are accused of racial profiling, it's just gotten rediculous, unfortunately I now hear people that weren't racist before becoming racist now, truly a shame


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There is a big difference between the Zimmerman / Martin case and cases like Marley Lion and Autumn Pasquale. Those were cases where white children were killed by black defendants but were ARRESTED AND CHARGED with their murder. There wasn't any self defense involved. It was just cold blooded murder.

The only reason why the Zimmerman / Martin case made any national headlines is because an unarmed black kid was killed by a perceived white guy who was armed and he was let go with no charges. It didn't make any national news until after Zimmerman was let go without charges and the family and friends of Martin started causing a local uproar about it.

That is a completely different situation than the other murders. You can't just blindly compare cases where black people kill white children and call it the same thing. It's apples and oranges.

I'm not issuing a rebuttal against the premise of your statements. I've just seen a lot of people make comparisons of murder cases to the Zimmerman / Martin case and I don't think they really are comparable.
 

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You're right of course Okie but this thread should be in the Lounge or maybe deleted. No need to fan the race wars going on in America on this little Victory forum IMHO. Up to the Mod's though.

Having said that: Who would have thought the first black President would be such a divider? So far all his promises about uniting America, having a transparent Administration and Presidency, and stopping the oceans from rising (yes... he actually said that) have been nothing but lies to get elected. No one believes anything he says and the world thinks much less of us now with him in the White House. He should not been allowed to run again just on not being a natural born American citizen. With our luck he will finish out his term and Billory will be elected in 2016 because the citizenship is now so dumbed down they don't know any better. Politics is a dirty business. Everyone knows that but we have never seen this level of corruption at this level and it's obvious now. They don't even care who knows because 85+% of the blacks, most of the Hispanics, most of the Union members, and for some reason, abortion rights probably, most of the women will vote democrat. If Billory runs the women will vote for her just because of her gender. It doesn't matter what sins she committed, including the murder of those in Bengahzi, they will still vote for her.

Sad, sad, days in America as we see it continue to devolve. History has shown us over and over what happens to a nation when this happens. Maybe God will step in and repeat what happened to Sodom. Time will tell but I doubt will live long enough to see the end. Then again I didn't think 0 could do so much damage in such a short amount of time either...
 

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...community who just lost an unarmed minor for the crime of walking thru his neighborhood after dark, I can see how doing it might offend said community.
While walking through his neighborhood isn't a crime, nor is getting out of your car in your own neighborhood. The criminal activity began when one person assaulted the other, and then mercilessly continued. People act like TM was shot for merely walking through some backyards with a bag of skittles. Along those lines, you could say after a thief breaks into a house, that he was just passing through.
 

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I'm not arguing for or against the Zimmerman verdict because mostly I think it was a terrible misunderstanding in which cooler heads for both parties should have prevailed. I do assign some blame to Zimmerman because he was more of an adult and he should have known better but it's not like Martin was this innocent kid either.

But consider this scenario (because I find it interesting). If Trayvon Martin could have legally carried a gun, and he shot and killed Zimmerman. He would have most likely been found not guilty of murder as well citing the stand your ground law and self defense. Think about it, he was being followed / stalked by an angry guy with a gun. He could have easily sold that as being in fear of his life and therefore the killing was in self defense. I just find it interesting that in either case a man gets shot and killed and in neither case would someone be guilty of a crime.
 

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This thread is in the General Discussions area so why move it?

Regarding the OP, I agree and am getting pretty fed up with all the racism. I see racism every single day, all over the media and it's racism against the white man...or as some call it...reverse racism. Basically, the constant accusation of of a white person being racist. Pretty soon I'm going to start throwing the race card myself. If I'm ever turned down for a promotion it's because I'm white. If I don't get a student loan it's because I'm white. If I'm turned down for a business loan it's because I'm white. If I'm not elected to political office it's because I'm white...or because I'm a male. If I'm the last one picked for kickball it's because I'm white!

Man this is getting old
 

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While walking through his neighborhood isn't a crime, nor is getting out of your car in your own neighborhood. The criminal activity began when one person assaulted the other, and then mercilessly continued. People act like TM was shot for merely walking through some backyards with a bag of skittles. Along those lines, you could say after a thief breaks into a house, that he was just passing through.
I agree with your premise. But I also have an old school way of thinking about the situation. If you are man enough to follow and try to shake down a random kid that is walking down the street, you had better be man enough to take the ass whooping that said kid might put on you for getting in his face. I do agree that Zimmerman was defending himself at the time, but I also remember what it was like to be a 17 year old hot head. And when I was 17, if I was in some neighborhood that was new to me and some guy started stalking me for no reason and then come at me with some angry questions my first reaction might have been to punch that guy in the nose. In the world of the law I agree that Zimmerman was not legally guilty of anything. But in the world of common sense I think he was a moron.
 

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I agree with your premise. But I also have an old school way of thinking about the situation. If you are man enough to follow and try to shake down a random kid that is walking down the street, you had better be man enough to take the ass whooping that said kid might put on you for getting in his face. I do agree that Zimmerman was defending himself at the time, but I also remember what it was like to be a 17 year old hot head. And when I was 17, if I was in some neighborhood that was new to me and some guy started stalking me for no reason and then come at me with some angry questions my first reaction might have been to punch that guy in the nose. In the world of the law I agree that Zimmerman was not legally guilty of anything. But in the world of common sense I think he was a moron.
Just like in a world of "common sense" we tell our daughters and wives not to walk alone at night in provocative clothing, or to lock your car doors at night. But, in the end, there is, and should be nothing wrong with doing either, it's the rapist and the thief that are in the wrong. There's no legal or moral support to the "they were asking for it" mentality.
 

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An unarmed MINOR that enjoyed fighting and took pleasure in beating down his opponents. He was also a 2x a week pot smoker and did indeed have it in his system during this altercation. Other evidence that was not allowed in BECAUSE THE PROSECUTION withheld it until trial time were the thousands of hidden TEXTS about fighting and guns and also about 600 pictures that were also hidden...some of which are reported to be pornographic.
Irrelevant. If gun fantasies were a crime, half of this forum would be locked down.

At what point during an altercation of having your head smashed against concrete do you make the decision to let the young man to continue to beat you...or do you do what you have to do to survive.
In case you missed it in another thread on the subject, I agreed with the jury verdict. The point I was making is that there is a difference between this case and the case Okie pointed out.

Now suppose they catch a black guy who admits responsibility for the killing of the white teenager. But after capture, the killer notes that the white kid made a scary face at him that forced him to use deadly force. Now suppose that after learning this fact, the cops release him and drop all charges. Anyone think that wouldn't make the news?

If this was a BOY as some are arguing...then why didn't he respect the AUTHORITY of an older man. He didn't, he sucker punched the man and then beat him until something STUPIDLY drastic had to be done.
Maybe you grew up in a nice area free of crime. I can tell you that when I was 17, had some older peckerhead been following me around after dark, I would have probably taken him for a perverted queer and knocked him into next Sunday too.

Had Trayvon KILLED George Zimmerman, do you think they would have tried him as a juvenile OR as an ADULT.
Having been on both ends of that kind of fight a time or three, I'd say it's unlikely TM would have killed GZ. Still, I think GZ's fear was rational and had I been in the same predicament, I probably would have done the same thing.

Take heart though Saddlebag...we agree on most everything else. :)
I think we agree here too. I just didn't go into enough detail.
 

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My 2 cents sez, that jury knew it was under great pressure to come up with a verdict solely based on the facts of the case and nothing else and it did so.
 

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My 2 cents sez, that jury knew it was under great pressure to come up with a verdict solely based on the facts of the case and nothing else and it did so.
Yep, just as they are instructed to do per our legal system. It never should have went to trial in the first place. The "system" was also under great pressure thanks to the media...pressure to charge him with a crime. He was released without initial charges because they had nothing to begin with. The guys head was being smashed on the cement.
His getting out of the car and following the young man around is also irrelevant. Both of them were free to walk around and follow eachother all they want. Laying hands on somebody is where the law was broke. This Martin guy had every opportunity to get away. He laid the guy out, busted him up and could of got up and ran away. Instead, he went on to bash his head on the cement. I think anybody with a pistol would have pulled the trigger.
 

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My 2 cents sez, that jury knew it was under great pressure to come up with a verdict solely based on the facts of the case and nothing else and it did so.
One thing i read that stuck with me today was that in an interview one of the jurors stated they all agreed that race had nothing to do with the murder. They believe it was the string of recent robberies in the GZ neighborhood and other factors on both sides. With the stand your ground law there wasnt much to be said or done only reason they arrested him was due to political presure like someone else stated.

Being White and Black i see double standards all the time on both sides of my family growing up and even now. Double standards can be seen in the language one uses is fine dependant on your skin color, or how people treat you good or bad.

Honestly I think people claim this was a race issue becouse its impowering to some and is an actually explanation that they can grasp, rather then the kid fought a lot, smoked, drank and whatever else and picked a fight and died.
 

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I can empathize with bzero007 as my daughter married a black man and they have two very bright and productive kids. One just was graduated from high school, the other was just graduated from a tech academy as an Anesthesiologist, and has been interning as one for over a year.
My son-in-law despises the term African-American, saying that denies him his American birth and citizenship.
 

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My observation a small tale of truth. I’ve seen racism and experienced it firsthand. I am part of one of the most elite gangs in the world “USMC” I had friends of every color and ethnic backgrounds in the Corps. I can tell you it didn’t matter that we all were Marines. When in town Okinawa to be specific there were places were the blacks hung out and whites were not welcome even though we were all Marines. We were expected to train, fight and die along side of one another you would think in the USMC something like color would not make a difference. I was wrong. During liberty in civilian clothes in town color trumped it all. I had a good close friend who was black he was French black guy. When the lights were out “Mo” we called him could talk and you couldn’t tell what color he was by his voice.
In Okinawa right out the main gate beer was $5 a pop you had to walk way back into town to get to the $1 beers at a place called the golden hole. My buddies and I would opt for that small walk thru the bad area of town just to pay less. We went in groups to avoid being mugged by the local Jap thugs. One night on our way back there was 2 roads, we always took the road that took us by the black hang out or you could walk many blocks around but at midnight in that area was the area you didn’t want to be in, so we opted for the way that took us by our fellow marines.. As we got closer we realized that tonight the crowd was large so many they were hanging outside. As we approached we could hear the racial slurs began. The guys said we should have walked the other way. I saw MO and I said he would defuse the situation he was in my squad and was a good guy not to worry. I was leading the way of a group of 5. As we approached the black crowd they made their way to block the road so we couldn’t pass. There was 30-40 of them at least partying outside the bar with the boom boom music going strong. I singled out Mo and asked him to defuse this crap. Out of his mouth was something I never heard.” Whach yous talkn bout Honky” I couldn’t believe my ears the Ebonics was obvious. I looked at him with deer in the head light look. “Mo you better straightn up and fly right Marine” Another spouted off and said they were going to whoop our asses for coming down their road. I said “well lets go” We might get our ass whooped but some of you are going to pay for it” and I looked at Mo and told him “your mine”. He was in my squad in my unit and he knew there would be hell to play later if this went bad. He played it down and was able to convince them he recognized us that we were friends and we got thru with no problems. We were told how lucky we were he knew us as we walked on by. I tell you that to say. We were all Marines. WTF we wore the same uniform but it didn’t matter .Outside of order they became a pack of wolves. Alone Mo was a respectable individual a good Marine. I believe that there are good in every color and bad. I believe that peer pressure is absolute in these type situations and in society that we live in it’s compounded to the 10th level. That’s why we see the riots and disorderly conduct from borderline individuals just looking for a reason to rape pillage and plunder. It seems the blacks are the ones so ready to destroy things at a drop of the hat just waiting for a reason.. Animosity passed down through generation’s attitudes and upbringing. They always want to get historic about slavery and take it out on any white they see for the sins of our forefathers it’s engrained into their minds from the beginning of understanding by older folks who wish to keep it going. Hell yes they were discriminated against in the past and yes it was wrong. But how long do we have to beat that dead horse? It’s over!. No its not. It will never be. The card is something they love having so they can pull it out anytime things don’t go their way. Why would they not want to keep it so they have been schooled. This was an isolated incident. I can assure you there were many more. I could tell many stories that would make you disgusted.
 

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Being a black male I started to leave this thread alone. We only heard one side of this story and it was from the person doing the shooting. Mr Zimmerman repeatedly ignored police by following and approaching Mr Martin. Already had a pre concieved notion that this ##*&& is up to no good and that they always get away with stuff. As a teenager growing up I was hassled by cops and older individuals of another race simply because I was black and supposedly shouldnt be in a certain area. If any one of you was walking through a neighborhood and someone started stalking your every move you would get a little annoyed might even turn and ask why are you following me etc. The actual following of Mr Martin could have been perceived by him as a threat of someone wanting to jump him because if someone is going to jump you its going to be from behind. Funny thing is if Mr Martin had been the one with the gun and things were reversed then he would have been labled a thug. I am going to leave this one alone now because unfortunately even in the year 2013, people cant see beyond the color of a persons skin and look at what kind of person they are..

Hopefully this thread doesnt deteriorate into something the mods will have to close.
 

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One difference that pops out at me is that the police are actively trying to catch Marley Lion's killer(s) and bring them to justice. The cops had and released GZ without filing any charges. Not saying they were wrong in doing so, but to a community who just lost an unarmed minor for the crime of walking thru his neighborhood after dark, I can see how doing it might offend said community.
Don't think there's a 'law' about offending the community.... that's the problem here, an offended 'black' community pressured the prosecution of Zimmerman even though the police chief and lead detective had concluded there was no evidence to charge....

This political correctness view that being offended is a crime is at fault...

P.S. Zimmerman thought the guy was suspicious, turns out he was on marijuana, turns out he had gotten caught with burglary tools in the past, turns out he was a wanna-be gansta thug who bragged about street fighting and beating people up, turns out HE had racial bias about whites (creepy ass cracker).... it's wasn't a "walking while black" thing as you liberals WANT it to be... he looked suspicious because of what he was doing, walking between houses etc., in Zimmerman's mind someone who should be checked out by the police... he was the head of the neighborhood watch! His mindset was a bit different than the standard guy on the street... last I checked such neighborhood watches are encouraged by police.... (I know, he shouldn't have gotten out of his car, shouldn't have followed Martin for a short time... blah, none of which is illegal or gives Martin the right to hit him)

Anyone with an once of logic can see what happened here and realize they would have, or should have, done the same thing Zimmerman did under that same circumstances.

P.S. 'Turns out' Martin was unarmed, Zimmerman had no way of knowing what sort of threat Martin posed... I for one would 'assume' someone acting suspicious, who might be a burglar or robber, WOULD be armed.... just because he wasn't is irrelevant.. you still have a 'little' logic left don't you saddlebag?
 
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