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So I picked up a set of Chrome wheels for my 07 Kingpin with the 100 Engine. Ad said fits 04-08 Kingpin. The only problem is that the wheels are apparently from the older model with the 92 engine and have smaller stud holes to mount the drive pulley. Not sure where to go with it at this point. Should I think about getting adapter studs to go from the smaller to larger diameter or how bad of an idea is that. My local dealer said they wouldn't do it on account of the possibility of breaking the smaller studs with the bigger engine mine has. Has anyone done this before and what's your thought. We got the front mounted with no problem and it really looks good, I was really looking forward to getting the back on.
I didn't contact the seller yet on ebay but they did say they were returnable.
 

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Solution one is to return them. Too risky to attempt to make it fit the wrong pulley. Solution two is find the pulley that fits. Your choice.
 

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Solution one is to return them. Too risky to attempt to make it fit the wrong pulley. Solution two is find the pulley that fits. Your choice.
Well the 04 Kingpin pulley is 64 Tooth and the 07 is 70 Tooth. I know the smaller tooth will give me a bit more torque and possibly let me get into 6th a little more. Just wondering if I need to worry about the set up with the 100 Engine?
 

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Also looks like the belt and front sprockets are different from the 07 to 04 models so not sure if my 07 Belt will be OK if I went with the smaller Rear Sprocket
2007 70T Rear & 33T Front
2004 64T Rear & 30T Front
 

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for all the changes you would have to do you should return the rear wheel.
It will cost you a lot to change the belt and pulleys
 

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Well the 04 Kingpin pulley is 64 Tooth and the 07 is 70 Tooth. I know the smaller tooth will give me a bit more torque and possibly let me get into 6th a little more. Just wondering if I need to worry about the set up with the 100 Engine?
The 64 tooth will not give you more torque it will give you less torque.
 

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As Joe said; you have it backwards on the torque. If it were me I'd just return it but if it was advertised to fit your bike but doesn't; the seller should pay all shipping costs. It ain't cheap to ship wheels these days.

You might see about just returning the rear wheel and keeping the front one then look for one to match but I don't know if they make them. Probably best to return both wheels at his expense plus whatever he charged to ship them to you in the first place. That may not be enforceable via ebay but it should be.
 

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With a 64 tooth rear pulley you would have to be going 20 mph to let the clutch all the way out. Believe me, you won't like it. Plus the belt might not work.

You could have a machine shop drill the wheel and install the larger studs.

Oh, and changing the gear ratio in the final drive does nothing for the torque, + or - , it is only a change in overall gear ratio. The engine's torque curve will not change. I have a 2 teeth smaller front pulley (making the gearing 7% shorter). On a dyno it shows LESS power and the shape of the torque curve is exactly the same. The difference is a mechanical advantage in reving quicker through the gears... so if you changed nothing else, instead of 70 mph in 2nd gear it would only reach 65 mph before it hit the rev limiter...

Putting a 64 on in place of a 70 at the rear wheel would be the close to same as 2 teeth larger front pulley.
 

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The ebay seller is also a chrome shop so I'm think wheat I'm going to do is to see if they can chrome my factory rear wheel and return the other one. And maybe chrome the rear pulley too. I'll let you know how I make out. Thanks everyone.
 

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ask them to tape off the pulley grooves. I have read where chrome can cut up the belt
 

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instead of 70 mph in 2nd gear it would only reach 65 mph before it hit the rev limiter...
You do 70 mph in second gear???? :eek :eek :eek: :crzy::crzy:
 

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ask them to tape off the pulley grooves. I have read where chrome can cut up the belt
It will eventually start cracking and cutting the belt. I can speak from experience on that one.
 

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You do 70 mph in second gear???? :eek :eek :eek: :crzy::crzy:
Ever seen the rev limiter? Ever been in a race?

Hold the throttle wide open in 2nd until the engine hits the rev limiter... look at the speedometer... what does it say? 65?

My bike revs to 6800 rpm... so yeah, 75 in 2nd is do-able.

Speeds at the top are 6200 rpm... otherwise this is speed to gear with the 2-teeth-smaller front pulley...
 

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Ever seen the rev limiter? Ever been in a race?

Hold the throttle wide open in 2nd until the engine hits the rev limiter... look at the speedometer... what does it say? 65?

My bike revs to 6800 rpm... so yeah, 75 in 2nd is do-able.

Speeds at the top are 6200 rpm... otherwise this is speed to gear with the 2-teeth-smaller front pulley...
Wow. That's nuts!
No. I've never raced. In my mind though, it sounds like a way to take years off an engine.
I had no idea.
 

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Wow. That's nuts!
What's nuts about it? It's simply reality.

In my mind though, it sounds like a way to take years off an engine.
The engine will not let you hurt it... it is electronically protected from you. You could hold the throttle open in neutral and it would rev up to the rev limiter and sit there sounding like it's running on 1 cylinder... but it won't hurt itself... that is a safe rpm for the engine to run at. The worst thing you can do to an engine is baby it.

That said, a stock Victory engine is all done making any good power at 4800 rpm-ish, so reving it past there is just a waste of gasoline. Best acceleration will come from shifting to the next gear at around 4900. But who leaves one of these stock?

As far as that speed to gear chart, the stock bike has a speed governor that will not let the bike exceed 122 or so mph. Even if it didn't, it wouldn't make enough horsepower to go much over that anyway.
 

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What's nuts about it? It's simply reality.


The engine will not let you hurt it... it is electronically protected from you. You could hold the throttle open in neutral and it would rev up to the rev limiter and sit there sounding like it's running on 1 cylinder... but it won't hurt itself... that is a safe rpm for the engine to run at. The worst thing you can do to an engine is baby it.

That said, a stock Victory engine is all done making any good power at 4800 rpm-ish, so reving it past there is just a waste of gasoline. Best acceleration will come from shifting to the next gear at around 4900. But who leaves one of these stock?

As far as that speed to gear chart, the stock bike has a speed governor that will not let the bike exceed 122 or so mph. Even if it didn't, it wouldn't make enough horsepower to go much over that anyway.
Wow.
I seriously had no idea.
 

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Many underestimate the prowess of the 106 engine. Yes, babying it will have the opposite effect that you want. Best to ride it like you stole it. Like this 81 year old does! Learn from your elders, kids.
 

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I was less than a second behind at 111 mph in 4th.
 
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