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Okay. So some deranged idiot shot and killed a bunch of decent people in a bible study session in a church. No doubt about it; this was a terrible and heinous act by someone who needs to hang for his crimes.

Now the left, never to let a good crisis go to waste, has deemed the Confederate Flag a racist emblem which must now be eliminated from society for the good of all.

Now, I doubt anyone here condones the terrible act this deranged kid committed, but I also find it hard to believe anyone here thinks we should wipe out the history of those who are only second/third generation of those who lost their lives fighting for their side in the South. FWIW; it was the Democrats who fought for keeping the slaves.

That isn't the point though. The point is this part of history is important in many ways to those who live in this particular region of America. I don't live there so I can't say with personal experience but I can at least respect their way of preserving an important part of their history.

That history is not about going into a church and murdering people. This act was done by one idiot and not the entire region.

So, by now, we all know the leftists never let a crisis go to waste so they have now decided this is the time to abolish the Confederate flag and go after the guns again.

Freakin' libs! They just won't let it go. Give it up you asshats! We are never going to let you take the one thing we have to protect ourselves from the likes of you. At least not without another Civil War which is exactly what the left appears to be pushing for.

They really ought to be more careful about what they want. Heck; they just might get it.

Moral of the story: Arm up and buy lots of ammo. Looks like we have another civil war brewing unless we can abolish the leftists to some country they would be more suited for like Mexico, China, or Venezuela. I'd rather they leave than have to meet them on the battlefield. Libs are the outsiders in America. They are the invaders.
 

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Oh, and by the way, Confederate flags are going fast in Walmart, on Amazon, and on Ebay. Get them while you can because they may become collectors items soon.

They may even become the emblem to be used on the right side of this upcoming fight for the freedom of America.

I hear the libs are going to use a picture of a vagina on a flag. That sounds about right them being pussies and pussified and all.
 

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Not just the left pushing a lot of on the so called right pushing also, charleston was a tragedy no doubt but this flag flap has gotten rediculous . The progressives on both sides will use this to get votes , such a shame that these nine people are being used in death to gain political advantage.
 

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such a shame that these nine people are being used in death to gain political advantage.
But this ALWAYS happens. "Let's use this tragedy as a political lever!"
 

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This is exactly why we need more guns in bible study , and churches . If one of the parishioner's pulled out their .45 , that kid would have crapped his pants .... And , lives would have been saved .
 

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This is exactly why we need more guns in bible study , and churches . If one of the parishioner's pulled out their .45 , that kid would have crapped his pants .... And , lives would have been saved .
He knew they would be
Easy prey because of it. Sickening.
 

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Just saying, I didn't pay much attention to who called for the flag removal. But as it has developed I have seen a whole slew of conservative stalwarts making noises in favor of its removal so as far as it being a leftie thing, sure they jump on it but they are not alone on that bandwagon.

The bigger picture to Pop is that words have impact. I don't blame the supremacists for using their right to speak their minds on web blogs and whatnot. That they can is some kind of insurance policy that I can too. I like that weird and dangerous and incendiary gets a public hearing because the machinery of freedom is greased by the act. Also yoy get to see the fringe right out in front of god and everybody. I like weird visible.

Thing is that I ain't ambitious enough to take up arms. I had a good run so far but tilting at windmills is too much effort for me now. I do my battles with cable and cell phone providers who I am sure are trying to take over the world and I don't talk about my firearms because I may or may not have any. That's that.

The problem is looney abounds. I won't take a side on whether there is more of it around now or if we just didn't get it thrown in our face so regularly until the news became an entertainment medium but either way looney abounds.

We all of us anonymous interweb geniuses would do well to consider that crazy as hell folks are among us and some of them can read. Might not be reading for comprehension as much as reading for approval to go postal.

Would that kid have sat in that church with them people and then murdered them if he hadn't been all up in white supremicist web traffic? I don't know. I'm pretty confident that he didn't see what he got off the web as a good reason to think it through and look for a different way to get his point across.

All that said I am willing to discuss the violent overthrow of Verizon and Time Warner but you'll have to PM me.
 

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You guys are right. Although the yelling from the left is much louder than the right; both sides are going after the flag. It makes one wonder when they will go after the American flag.

Now Manchin (D) and Toomey (R) are trying to get another push for what they call common sense expanded background checks. Make no mistake; this is gun registration. In history there was always gun registration before gun confiscation. The left is dead set on taking away our right to protect ourselves from the bad guys.

Remember also; the police are not there to protect us. Their mission is to assist us in defending ourselves. They carry guns to protect themselves; not us although it does work out that way sometimes.
 

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To bad the kid wasn't holding a Obama flag

after all the flag didn't kill anyone
 

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If is wasn't for the left , we wouldn't need the NRA , but , thank God they are here to fight for our rights . Long live the NRA !!! Any gun lover should be a member and help support the cause , if that douche Hilary gets in , kiss your guns goodbye .
 

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Flags don't kill people, people kill people!
 

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Hilary already talking tough gun laws and gun registration , registration leads to confiscation . This may also lead to a revolution , I have friends that would rather die then lose their firearms , and I'm dead serious . FuckFace Bill Clinton got that ridiculous gun ban passed that did NOTHING to curb gun violence . Many dems lost their jobs after that , as they should have . I believe one more dem after Loserbama and we are toast as a nation. If gun confiscation does occur , it will be run by the IRS and implemented by the national guard , I reckon ... More gun laws only affect law abiding fella's , the criminals don't care about gun laws , they aren't affected by them ...
 

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The Oregon legislature just passed gun registration disguised as background checks. Many Sheriffs and cities have signed on that they will not enforce it. Oregon likes to pride itself with many firsts--maybe we'll be the first state to start the revolution. Too many us and them things going on here and one day the last straw will be put on.
 

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Ok, I'm a lib in Alabama. I think there are 5 of us. We have a weenie roast every 3rd Thursday and only 3 others ever show up. I have a pistol in my desk drawer, one by my bed and one in my glove compartment. Sweeping generalizations are not productive. Wanna buy some gen-u-ine Confederate ****? If you call it "historical' the price goes up 200%.
 

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Well; that didn't take long...

Leave it to the muzzie to start the next civil war / revolution. Sadly the idiot never did get how much white America bent over backwards to appease his kind. Those days are now over though. I say to F man; bring it. Bring it now and bring it hard because it will be your one and only chance to do so. Once you wake the sleeping giant your days will be numbered in single digits.

http://www.wmal.com/2015/06/24/listen/

Isn't it great we elected the most divisive president to ever hold the office? All those obummer voters must be soooo proud! One wonders how they can ever sleep at night again! Oh right! Bbbbut he said hope and change...

Has this POS prez ever done anything right? If he has; I missed it. He will go down in history as, correct that, he is already the worst prez in the history of this country and maybe the history of the world. Yep. He is that bad. Anyone who says otherwise is in complete denial.
 

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Remember also; the police are not there to protect us. Their mission is to assist us in defending ourselves. They carry guns to protect themselves; not us although it does work out that way sometimes.
Bob where the widely believed misconception that the police have a responsibility to protect or help to protect citizens of a state is an urban myth unfortunately.

The truth is that the police bear no responsibility to protect you or assist you in protecting yourself, ever, at any time no matter what the circumstances. No matter what the individual officer may tell you. That's the law and has been upheld in dozens if not hundreds of cases tried in the courts. Their only responsibility is to the government, not to it's citizens . Fortunately for us many times, many officers go above and beyond for a variety of reasons. However that is strictly voluntary and they are under zero obligation legally to even show up when called.



The myth of to serve and protect has it's roots in the western territories.
Before becoming states, the citizens of western towns hired their own sheriffs to maintain the peace. Those sheriff's had a responsibility to the people who hired them because there was an employee, employer relationship. They were hired knowing that they were being paid a wage to protect the citizens that had hired them.
If they did not uphold their end of the bargain it was a breach of contract. Plain and simple.

Once the territories became states that relationship went away because they fell under the laws governing states. According to US law the police have no responsibility to protect you or assist in your protection. They cannot be sued or held accountable because they have no obligation to protect individual citizens at any time in any way. This isn't exactly advertised by the police but it is the law in all 50 states.

Not trying to be a butthead here. Just that knowing this is really important if you live in this country. You really are on your own here and responsible for your own safety. Not something you get taught in school unfortunately.
Though it should be.
 

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LOl.

Bob I can certainly understand your confusion on what the responsibility of the police is being that you are from a western state. Your from one of the later states to become a state after being a territory for a very long time. Unfortunately the truth is the police, according to the law, have no responsibility to protect you or assist you in protecting yourself, ever under all or any circumstances. That's the law and has been upheld in dozens if not hundreds of cases tried in the courts. Their only responsibility is to the government not to it's citizens legally. Fortunately many times, many officers go above and beyond for a variety of reasons.





Where the widely believed misconception that the police have a responsibility to protect or help to protect citizens of a state came from was from the territories like AZ, pre statehood.



Before becoming states, the citizens of western towns hired their own sheriffs to maintain the peace. Those sheriff's had a responsibility to the people who hired them because there was an employee, employer relationship. They were hired knowing that they were being paid a wage to protect the citizens that had hired them.

If they did not uphold their end of the bargain it was a breach of contract. Plain and simple.



Once the territories became states that relationship went away because they fell under the laws governing states and according to US law the police have no responsibility to protect you or assist in your protection. They cannot be sued or held accountable because they have no obligation to protect individual citizens at any time in any way. This has been upheld in numerous cases including a few cases decided by the supreme court. This isn't exactly advertised by the police but it is the law.



Not trying to be a butthead here. Just that knowing this is really important if you live in this country. You really are on your own here and responsible for your own safety.

What the ****? Why do the police cost so much money??? I think anarchy is the answer and may the strong, well armed folks prevail!
 

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What the ****? Why do the police cost so much money??? I think anarchy is the answer and may the strong, well armed folks prevail!
Your laws maybe different. I really don't know. I was pretty surprised when I found out what ours were.
 

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In the charter of the Department of Justice where the responsibilities of the Judicial system are laid out, to provide justice is never mentioned as a function of the judicial system. What the charter does state is that the function of the dept of Justice is to keep the government in power. thumb up Got to love it.

It's not that I am un-American. It's more like WTF?
 
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