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I'm interested in what the SAE J1168 rated lean angles are for these bikes. I used the search feature and resurrected another thread but the responses are coming back to show which parts scrape first.

HD's typically have ~30 degrees which sucks and I'd stop looking at these if they're within a few degrees.

Can anyone point me to this information?

Thanks
 

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I'm interested in what the SAE J1168 rated lean angles are for these bikes. I used the search feature and resurrected another thread but the responses are coming back to show which parts scrape first.

HD's typically have ~30 degrees which sucks and I'd stop looking at these if they're within a few degrees.

Can anyone point me to this information?

Thanks
So what model bike are you asking about?
I don't think the lean sensor came on bikes till 2010.
 

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So what model bike are you asking about?
I don't think the lean sensor came on bikes till 2010.
I think he's asking for the SAE rating on the lean angle. In other words, an independent measurement of the maximum lean angle of the Cross bikes. I don't know the answer, so I'll sit down and zip it. Hopefully someone can provide that info to Outlander.
 

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I think he's asking for the SAE rating on the lean angle. In other words, an independent measurement of the maximum lean angle of the Cross bikes. I don't know the answer, so I'll sit down and zip it. Hopefully someone can provide that info to Outlander.
Exactly what I'm hoping to receive, thanks!
 

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It is questionable as to whether or not the results from SAE J1168 are even applicable on vehicles with a tilt sensor installed to disable the ignition and/or cut off fuel. I am looking at SAE J1168 REAF. JAN2007 which references to SAE J213. Everything is related to bank angle which is pointless when/if the tilt sensor is configured to disable a bike at anything less than maximum bank angle.

Basically it doesn't matter how far you can lean your bike, it is only going to lean to a specific (untested by SAE J1168 or SAE J213) angle before the engine cuts off and you get to find out how well your highway bars are designed.

If you really want to know how far a bike could potentailly lean the optional method of testing per SAE J1168 would be simple to do at home:

6.1 In lieu of the measurement procedure specified in Section 4, the following optional measurement procedure
may be used.

6.2 The test motorcycle, prepared in accordance with Section 4, shall be placed on a rigid, tiltable surface as
illustrated in Figure 2. The tiltable surface shall be of sufficient rigidity and size to yield results equivalent to
those obtained in Section 5.

6.3 The tiltable surface shall then be inclined until contact between any component of the test motorcycle and the
tiltable surface can be visibly observed, as illustrated in Figure 3.

6.4 The test motorcycle shall be positively held in place such that the longitudinal plane of symmetry forms a right
angle (90 degrees) with the horizontal.

6.5 The bank angle shall then be determined by measuring the angle between the tiltable surface and the
horizontal.

6.6 Sections 6.3, 6.4, and 6.5 shall be repeated at least 3 times on both RH and LH sides of the motorcycle.

6.7 The bank angle shall be determined by averaging the three lowest values which are within 1 degree of each
other on that side of the test motorcycle that yields the lowest values.

Your "tiltable surface can be something as simple as a straight edge placed to the side of the tread surface of you tires. With the bike standing up on a flat surface place the straight edge as mentioned in the last sentence then raise it up at an angle until it contacts any part of your bike. As mentioned in paragraph the bank angle shall then be determined by measuring the angle between the tiltable surface and the horizontal.
 

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It is questionable as to whether or not the results from SAE J1168 are even applicable on vehicles with a tilt sensor installed to disable the ignition and/or cut off fuel. I am looking at SAE J1168 REAF. JAN2007 which references to SAE J213. Everything is related to bank angle which is pointless when/if the tilt sensor is configured to disable a bike at anything less than maximum bank angle.

Basically it doesn't matter how far you can lean your bike, it is only going to lean to a specific (untested by SAE J1168 or SAE J213) angle before the engine cuts off and you get to find out how well your highway bars are designed.

If you really want to know how far a bike could potentailly lean the optional method of testing per SAE J1168 would be simple to do at home:

6.1 In lieu of the measurement procedure specified in Section 4, the following optional measurement procedure
may be used.

6.2 The test motorcycle, prepared in accordance with Section 4, shall be placed on a rigid, tiltable surface as
illustrated in Figure 2. The tiltable surface shall be of sufficient rigidity and size to yield results equivalent to
those obtained in Section 5.

6.3 The tiltable surface shall then be inclined until contact between any component of the test motorcycle and the
tiltable surface can be visibly observed, as illustrated in Figure 3.

6.4 The test motorcycle shall be positively held in place such that the longitudinal plane of symmetry forms a right
angle (90 degrees) with the horizontal.

6.5 The bank angle shall then be determined by measuring the angle between the tiltable surface and the
horizontal.

6.6 Sections 6.3, 6.4, and 6.5 shall be repeated at least 3 times on both RH and LH sides of the motorcycle.

6.7 The bank angle shall be determined by averaging the three lowest values which are within 1 degree of each
other on that side of the test motorcycle that yields the lowest values.

Your "tiltable surface can be something as simple as a straight edge placed to the side of the tread surface of you tires. With the bike standing up on a flat surface place the straight edge as mentioned in the last sentence then raise it up at an angle until it contacts any part of your bike. As mentioned in paragraph the bank angle shall then be determined by measuring the angle between the tiltable surface and the horizontal.
I'm pretty sure the tilt sensor only comes into play after you've exceeded the lean angle (wiped out or dropped the bike).

Thanks for the info!
 

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That's not quite how it happened in my case. I had my bike running while I was on the ground trying to track a rattling noise and accidentally knocked it into gear. It moved far enough forward to push back the kickstand then fell over. It quit running before it hit the ground.

Like I said, tilt angle means very little when the tilt sensor cuts the engine before any part of the bike touches the ground.
 

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Are you sure it just didn't stall? I can't imagine a manufacturer designing a system that would cut the engine during at the limit cornering.
 

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Are you sure it just didn't stall? I can't imagine a manufacturer designing a system that would cut the engine during at the limit cornering.
Note that the bike is resting on the crash bar. That's how far it will lean before the bar touches down. Engine didn't shut off until almost at full lean. Incidentally, the only damage was abrasions on the bottom of the crash bar and the bottom outer edge of the hard case. I have since added protector bars for the cases. Damage not seen when bike is on its wheels. Mercedes driven by spoiled 18 year old from Half Moon Bay, CA and she was using a cell phone which is verboten here in the People's Republic of Oregon. I only had scrapes and bruises as I was wearing boots, helmet and a jacket with armor. Ya crash in what ya wear.
 

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I'm sure it didn't stall; it shut down like the key was turned off. It also wouldn't start for about 5 minutes after I stood it back up. Not a flooding issue like you would get from a stall; there was no power to the starter.
I'm sorry to say but I don't think you are going to find your answer in writing. You read what I had to say which was mostly directly from your reference. And I'm sure you'll read what RICZ had to say.

RICZ,
My drop was my fault; I learned to live with a little scuff on the bottom of the crash bars and bag protectors. Your drop sucks! I hope the young lady lost her license and her insurance bought you new leathers and crash bars. Young people today don't learn unless they lose things. The drivers license would be the best thing for her to lose; it would take an act of God to pry the cell phone out of a teenage girls hands.
My last troop almost lost his leg because of some ass clown teenage boy. The kid was texting while driving, ran a light and t-boned my troop on his sport bike. Poor guys leg was hanging on by the skin and muscles on his inner thigh. Now he's fighting to keep from getting medically retired because he can't do PT.
 

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Your drop sucks! I hope the young lady lost her license and her insurance bought you new leathers and crash bars.

You are not going to believe this...a cop happened upon the scene shortly after she ran the stop sign and hit me. He would not issue her a citation, he said all they are authorized to do is make out an accident report. I requested that I make a citizen's arrest and he refused. She got off that one, but her insurer took full responsibility (I emailed the photos of the scene to them) and I did come out money ahead, even after replacing the crash bar and buying the case protectors. I sanded and retouched the abrasion on the bottom of the case, so all that cost me was the touch up paint. My helmet and gear were unscathed, so I couldn't claim anything there.

Lessons for all: Always have a camera with you and wear protective gear. This was the first go down for me in 58 years of riding and a jacket with armor saved me from getting anything more serious than scrapes and bruises. I'm now considering those jeans with kevlar linings.
 

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I can understand the cop not giving her s ticket cause he didn't see her run it. Not that you would lie but cops have heard others people lie.

After reading all this about a tilt sensor I know my 08 vision doesn't have one and wouldn't mind trying to wire one in if I thought I could. It would be a great benefit that I hope I wouldn't have to use.
 

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My unscientific method:
1:Bike on centerstand
2:4x8 plywood
3: press against wheels and tilt up until contacting a body part

Results:
Floorboard hits first and then the crash bar. Accoarding to my angle finder it was about 35-38* . I was alone at the time of doing this so it was hard to get a really good reading.
My bike will drag sooner because of the center stand, I have already rubbed paint off of it a few times. Love the stand for its usefullness but not to sure about the loss of lean.
I rode the Dragon last fall before the center stand install and didn't drag anything. I used to drag my
VTX all the time, but this was my 1st trip on the XC and only about 1000miles on the clock.
 

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BigRedXerII,
Your "unscientific" method of testing is actually very close to the optional method displayed in the SAE Standard for calculating motorcycle tilt. You just need someone to help you out if you want to get exact measurements.

It is also a lot safer than the preferred method of testing which requires you to strap the bike to a mounting point on a upright surface 4' from the ground (level ground). You would then have to to tilt the bike until any part of it touches the ground -- measure the angle from this point. You do this 3 times to come up with an average.

There are a few particular things you have to do before testing, i.e. suspension settings / load and fuel. I can't get to the SAE from home so I can't detail them but you may be able to Google it.
 

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Thanks for all the responses. I'd better jump in here before someone dumps their bike trying to help out.

I placed a call with Polaris for the information and hopefully they'll get back to me today.

Thanks again for the enthusiastic responses!

OK, I got my response, "Pretty far."

That was a little disappointing.
 

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Outlander,
There's something wrong about the last couple of sentences on your last post.
Why would you be disappointed that you didn't get answers? You yourself are having a hard time finding the answer, how do you expect others with the same resources (internet) to find it?
I can see how you would be disappointed if you were paying someone to find the answer but you aren't so you should have stuck with "thanks for your responses" and moved on. The last 2 sentences were unnecessary and for lack of better words rude. I'm hoping that you didn't intend for your post to come across that way. On anything public you have to be cautious; its way to easy to offend people -- without knowing your audience you never know how they are going to take anything you write.
 

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Outlander,
There's something wrong about the last couple of sentences on your last post.
Why would you be disappointed that you didn't get answers? You yourself are having a hard time finding the answer, how do you expect others with the same resources (internet) to find it?
I can see how you would be disappointed if you were paying someone to find the answer but you aren't so you should have stuck with "thanks for your responses" and moved on. The last 2 sentences were unnecessary and for lack of better words rude.
Re-read what I wrote.
 

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Thanks for all the responses. I'd better jump in here before someone dumps their bike trying to help out.

I placed a call with Polaris for the information and hopefully they'll get back to me today.

Thanks again for the enthusiastic responses!

OK, I got my response, "Pretty far."

That was a little disappointing.
That was Victory's response? .... " Pretty Far"
So much for factory engineers. :rolleyes:

My guess it hasn't come up enough for them to check it.
 

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That was Victory's response? .... " Pretty Far"
So much for factory engineers. :rolleyes:

My guess it hasn't come up enough for them to check it.
I would have thought they'd have documented this so that when a city places a motorcycle purchase out for bid with a Harley spec they could respond that it meets or exceeds the requirement.

They were able to say that the Vision is a touch over 45 degrees. That's pretty good.
 
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