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Any idiot can walk into any dollar store and leave with a semi-automatic pressure canner with no controls at all. We know from events in Boston that these can only be used to kill. Criminals, street gangs, terrorists etc are using these as the new weapon of choice. Without new laws we are all screwed. Call your senator today.
 

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Too soon. Really.
 

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How is it that a 12 year old can get a motorcycle and join this forum and bring his friends along?
 

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Any idiot can walk into any dollar store and leave with a semi-automatic pressure canner with no controls at all.
Possibly because they have a purpose other than slaughtering your fellow human beings i.e. cooking?

But fear not, your dream may become reality. I know I've had to submit to a background check to get a box of Sudafed every spring lately.
 

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Good point. The mods should not allow 12 year olds to join and post
 

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What about knives? They should be banned too. Just over a week ago some nutt job ran around and stabbed 14 people. You think he did it to make a point? It's not the weapon...it's the people.

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Possibly because they have a purpose other than slaughtering your fellow human beings i.e. cooking?

But fear not, your dream may become reality. I know I've had to submit to a background check to get a box of Sudafed every spring lately.
Guns have other purposes besides just slaughtering fellow humans as well.

I believe that the OP's point is that, if someone wants to cause mass casualties, they will find a way - gun or no gun. So, banning certain types of guns or regulating magazine capacity is not going to do anything other than make it hard for honest and sane gun enthusiasts. The public doesnt see it that way though - they just call for a ban on the offending instrument that was used. To show how ridiculous that is, I agree that we should open dialog on banning/regulating the purchase of pressure cookers. Why is that a childish argument to make?
 

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Guns have other purposes besides just slaughtering fellow humans as well.
Yes, slaughtering animals.

To show how ridiculous that is, I agree that we should open dialog on banning/regulating the purchase of pressure cookers. Why is that a childish argument to make?
I thought you were one who had better sense.

The Supreme Court has ruled that it is perfectly Constitutional to regulate the sale of arms. A pressure cooker is not an arm. If you choose to make it into an arm by stuffing it full of blasting powder and nails, I'm sure your local police would be perfectly happy to escort you off to spend time in their care.

Where the line is drawn as to what arms civilians can possess and how many hoops they must jump through to possess them is a valid conversation. To suggest that some cooking utensil should be banned sounds like an argument a 12 year old would make. Certainly not something Socrates would spend any time pondering...
 

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What about knives? I'd like to hear why they shouldn't be banned if guns should be. I'll mention it again, 14 stabbed just over a week ago during some idiots rant. Nobody wants to talk about that...at least not the liberal media. Because it creates a very valid point that goes against the liberal agenda. It's not about weapons, OBVIOUSLY. It's an attack against your Constitutional rights. You can't just go about stripping away our rights, imposing more and more bans and laws against us. Make the consequences so severe that the offense would be unthinkable. If the consequence for going on a rampage like that were to hung you upside down, buck naked and pluck every hair from your body one by one, then remove every finger and toe nail, then cut a 1" wound on each limb once every hour, cut away the eye lids and remove the tongue. But keep the criminal alive. If that was standard practice, these shootings and stabbings would disapear. I know my idea is way out there but I'm making a point. Consequences need to be severe. We have got to the point where we are more concerned about the criminals rights than the victims.
 

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Those "harmless" cooking/canning things can hold 24 1/2 pints. Most can handle up to 7 Quarts, also know as "High capacity" magazines.
 

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I'll mention it again, 14 stabbed just over a week ago during some idiots rant. Nobody wants to talk about that...at least not the liberal media.
Do you watch liberal media? If not, how would you know? My guess is that they'd be thrilled to talk about it. If all attacks ended up requiring little more than stitches, I'm sure they'd be poifectly sassified.

Because it creates a very valid point that goes against the liberal agenda.
Where did you get the idea that parents of slain children are all liberals?

It's not about weapons, OBVIOUSLY. It's an attack against your Constitutional rights.

If the consequence for going on a rampage like that were to hung you upside down, buck naked and pluck every hair from your body one by one, then remove every finger and toe nail, then cut a 1" wound on each limb once every hour, cut away the eye lids and remove the tongue. But keep the criminal alive.
You have an eighth amendment constitutional right to prevent the gov't from conducting "cruel and unusual punishments" on your person. Are you suggesting that we should attack that right? Are you some kinda wild eyed liberal?
 

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You have an eighth amendment constitutional right to prevent the gov't from conducting "cruel and unusual punishments" on your person.
I have the right to carry firearms and I have the right to form a militia too. Those rights are being stripped away and I'm not the criminal, yet you support removing those rights and yet you suggest we should support the right of the criminal not to endure unusual punishment. THAT is what is wrong with this country! Thank you for making my point for me.
 

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I have the right to carry firearms and I have the right to form a militia too.

Those rights are being stripped away
How?

yet you suggest we should support the right of the criminal not to endure unusual punishment.
I suggested that you contradicted yourself. Either you support Constitutional rights or you don't. Doesn't make any difference to me. I was just pointing out the inconsistency of your statements.
 

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i'm pro gun. i am a mod at tngunclub.com forum if that tells you anything. but i don't feel this is something to make light of. in fact if the nut that did this is trying to make a pro gun statement, i don't want him, or them on my side.
 

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The answer is never to ban a tool. That's dumb. The obvious answer is to simply ban crime! Because, you know, banning things works!
 

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The answer is never to ban a tool. That's dumb. The obvious answer is to simply ban crime! Because, you know, banning things works!
So your solution is lawlessness? They have that in Somalia, I hear it's not such a pleasant a place to visit...
 

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I suggested that you contradicted yourself. Either you support Constitutional rights or you don't. Doesn't make any difference to me. I was just pointing out the inconsistency of your statements.
No sir, that is where you are wrong. There is no contradiction or inconsistency. I am all for our rights, you must not have been aware that once convicted of a crime and you begin your sentence at whatever correctional institution it may be, you rights stopped at the door. You no longer have the right to many things, including free speech, arms, etc. You retain some but many are taken once sentence is handed down. Locking you or I into a small room for 5 years is kidnapping and false imprisonment and in itself is cruel and unusual punishment, it violates our rights. Locking a convicted murderer in a small room for only 5 years wouldn't even be harsh enough to be called justice and naturally does NOT violate his rights because those were taken away once he was sentenced. You are comparing apples to oranges my friend. All law obeying citizens should not be stripped of any rights because of the criminal. Punish him NOT me.
 
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