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I have a question about replacing the shift star and detent roller on my bike if needed. Does the clutch basket have to be taken off to install them? I have done some research and can't find a definite answer to this question. I want to avoid having to replace the clutch basket stake nut if possible. I can put on new clutch plates without it. I am also considering replacing the Shifter Ratchet on my 2013 Victory Judge with 25K on it. I bought it about 8 months ago from a used motorcycle dealer off Ebay. I have no idea about what kind of oil was used in it prior to my acquiring or how it was ridden, but overall all I think the previous own neglected it a bit based on what I have had to do to get it in top shape. Plus when I received it the oil was pretty old and had one quart too much in it. The air filter was filthy. There were some other issues. Which indicates to me neglect. It has not shifted well since I acquired it. I have adjusted the clutch, have a new clutch cable, and lubed the shifting linkage etc and it helped some but still does not shift well. So I am thinking about changing out the Shifter Ratchet, and associated parts if needed and also maybe replacing the clutch disks with a Barnett parts. I will also place an copper oil washer on the shift shaft too when I have the cover off. I want to take care of several things while I have the cover off. If I have to take the stake nut off the clutch basket, then I will have to order a new nut and washer. I would prefer not doing this if not necessary. It looks to me from viewing photos that it would be possible without taking this step.
 

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Saying more than I really know here, but I watched a video about changing the ratchet assembly and the clutch was never touched. Re the oil situation; You have already put in fresh oil - I would run it just for a short time and drain it and replace with Rotella T-6 for its heavier additive package and see if the shifting improves. I suggest that you lower the shift lever so that when you slip your foot under it, you have taken up all the slack and preload the shifter prior to the next shift. I think you'll find that will help the shifting a lot. Your experience is a good heads up for buying sight unseen and no test ride. I hope you got it at a bargain price to offset its problems.
Anyhoo...welcome to the wonderful world of Victory motorcycles. Lots of info here and maybe someone else can be more helpful.
 

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Thanks for your input. I checked the service manual or the one available closest to the 2013 Judge. I have been using the 2012 Vegas manual for my Judge and it does not address this question that I can find. Also in their illustrations they show it without the clutch basket on. But it is not conclusive that is necessary.
 

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Thanks for your input. I checked the service manual or the one available closest to the 2013 Judge. I have been using the 2012 Vegas manual for my Judge and it does not address this question that I can find. Also in their illustrations they show it without the clutch basket on. But it is not conclusive that is necessary.
I prefer the cheap and easy before proceeding to the time consuming and expensive. What is it exactly that bothers you about the shifting?
 

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First off you can only adjust the clutch when its over night cold never warm or hot. If it wasn't synthetic oil I don't think oil has any thing to do with it.
The guy here that does the vinyl wraps i think had a problem with his shifter star. It turned out the bolt was loose. I don't remember his name but this is how you can get a hold of him for some insight.
Email [email protected] or call toll free
1-800-844-0364
 

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I prefer the cheap and easy before proceeding to the time consuming and expensive. What is it exactly that bothers you about the shifting?
I would say having to stomp it real hard to get it in gear or to shift. I want my bike in good shape regardless of the cost up to a certain extent. Plus I am retired so I have a lot of time to spend on working on it. My original question was do you have to remove the Clutch basket in order to change out the shift star and detent lever. I think I have found the answer to that question in a video where the guy says kind of off handed that he has to take out the basket to replace the star etc. Does not give any reasons, just makes that statement in the video. Anyway, my thinking now is to just open it up and see if there is any need to replace anything. Just cost me a new gasket. That Way I will know what I need or if I need anything, plus at the same time put the oil washer on the clutch shaft to see if it helps.
 

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First off you can only adjust the clutch when its over night cold never warm or hot. If it wasn't synthetic oil I don't think oil has any thing to do with it.
The guy here that does the vinyl wraps i think had a problem with his shifter star. It turned out the bolt was loose. I don't remember his name but this is how you can get a hold of him for some insight.
Email [email protected] or call toll free
1-800-844-0364
Thanks I am fully aware that bike has to set over night before adjusting the clutch and that is what I do and have done. As far as oil, I think it does have some effect on the clutch and may contaminate the disks. I use 20 X 40 Semi-Synthetic Victory oil which is what Victory recommends. So I do not think it is the oil that I used, but maybe oil that was used before I became the owner.
 

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Youll only need to replace the shift ratchet.
In my experience it takes very little wear on the edges of the teeth that engage the star for imprecise shifting to occur.
And it wont get any better till you change it and add the oil drain washer to take out the side play that aggravates the shift ratchet in the first place.
The star is tough as nails , Id leave it be.
Shift ratchet is the weak link.
Happy Shifting.:smile
 

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Question....
Is there a better aftermarket shifter ratchet, or does one have to use and OEM one?
 

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Question....
Is there a better aftermarket shifter ratchet, or does one have to use and OEM one?
Not as far as I know.
But I reckon a dab of good weld and careful grinding would restore the profile.
Youd need a new one to compare to get it correct.
Weld may be stronger and not wear like the original.
One day when originals arent available we are gonna need to try it.
 

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Now I'm wondering if I should stockpile a ratchet assembly while they may still be available. Mine shifts OK now with almost 40K miles on her, but I intend to ride TTWFO.
Anyone have a part number?
 

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Now I'm wondering if I should stockpile a ratchet assembly while they may still be available. Mine shifts OK now with almost 40K miles on her, but I intend to ride TTWFO.
Anyone have a part number?
Heres a link to one shows part number.
Better to get one off Paulie but.
Even to have one on hand to repair a worn one with weld would be an advantage.
It doesnt take much wear for them to slip past the starwheel especially if you aint got the oil draijn washer in there.
It takes out the slop that allows the ratchet teeth to slip past the notches on the starwheel.
https://www.victoryparts.net/oemparts/p/victory/1341416/asm-ratchet-shifter
 

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Yeah, I got the slop in the shifter shaft and almost 40K on the bike. Even tho I'm not hard on the tranny, I can see there's gonna be a replacement of that ratchet in the future. How far, I don't know when that will be. I like your idea of a weld repair MBX. When I'm in the process of a change over, I might try rebuilding the old one to look like the new one. Then I'll have the next replacement on hand.
 

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Yeah, I got the slop in the shifter shaft and almost 40K on the bike. Even tho I'm not hard on the tranny, I can see there's gonna be a replacement of that ratchet in the future. How far, I don't know when that will be. I like your idea of a weld repair MBX. When I'm in the process of a change over, I might try rebuilding the old one to look like the new one. Then I'll have the next replacement on hand.
So you havent done the washer trick yet?
 

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Question.....are you getting any surging or grabbing and releasing while clutch lever is only partially out?
 

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MBX...No, I haven't done the washer trick. Too damn lazy. I figure it'll be an all-in-one repair when I install a new ratchet.
NOEMTZ...No, clutch and shifting action is normal and good.
 

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What's the washer trick?
Thought youd know that one Mark you been here as long as me and theres been much discussion on it...
Coupla years back I suppose.

Taking off the primary cover and slipping a copper oil drain bung washer onto the shift shaft to take the slop outta it yet still allow a little freeplay.
Makes shifting a lot more precise.
Surely you remember?

Edit ...there was talk recently of Polaris increasing thickness of said oil drain plug washers dimensions which would then cause shifter to bind.
 

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Thought youd know that one Mark you been here as long as me and theres been much discussion on it...
Coupla years back I suppose.

Taking off the primary cover and slipping a copper oil drain bung washer onto the shift shaft to take the slop outta it yet still allow a little freeplay.
Makes shifting a lot more precise.
Surely you remember?

Edit ...there was talk recently of Polaris increasing thickness of said oil drain plug washers dimensions which would then cause shifter to bind.

Yes, thank you for the reminder. The memory is the second thing to go as we age you know. I really should do this modification next Winter.
 
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