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Well today i pulled my bike out of the garage to move some stuff around and when i started it up to ride it back in it stalled. I pressed the magic button to fire it back up and the starter motor just spins. The engine does not turn over.
i removed the started thinking that it was like the old type that had to engage but i quickly found out that there is a clutch system in there for starting the bike. So now after doing some searching it seems that I need polaris part #3234256.
PART NUMBER 6 IN LINK BELOW

http://parts.polarisind.com/Assemblies.asp

has anyone had this issue before? is this common on our bikes?
it is a 2010 Vegas 8-Ball
I probably have about 15k miles.


so i ordered parts 6,7,8 from the link above just to be safe. I also ordered a new gasket for the primary cover. Anything else i should need or am I good?

should I have to be concerned with any other damage this could have caused inside there?

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Did you bench test the starter? Provide power and ground to make sure its the issue? Jckercheval just had something similar happen and ended up finding the crank key sheared off. not saying thats what your problem is but I thought the vic starters were pretty bulletproof, could be wrong.
 

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yes, the starter is good. i pulled the starter from the bike and all teeth are good and it spins. there is another clutch gear apparently that sits on it in there and I think that is where the problem is.

has anyone else seen or heard of this happening before?

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I sent you a private message with some links to folks having similar issues on other forums.

Your problem sounds very similar.
 

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yes my issue sound identical to the second link that you sent.
the bike started fine and then kind of stalled and kicked back because of the cold weather and now starter just spins without engaging engine. So it looks like it is definetely those parts that I ordered.
oh well, at least the weather is still crappy here and im hoping to get the parts this week.

thanks again.
 

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I think there is a plastic key inside the clutch and when its this cold its brittle and when you go to start the bike the plastic key shears off and your screwed.
There a few company's out there you could call but you have to know measurements to find the right one or send it to them to see if they have a match.
I know not much help
 

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thats exactly what sounds like happened. it started and then stalled due to the cold weather. as it stalled it kinda kicked back and then that's what did it in.
 

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Did you check ebay. Not sure what a new one goes for from Vic/Polaris. Lots of Vic starters on there going in the $125 range.
 

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its not the actual starter that's the issue.
i already ordered the oem parts needed. just waiting for them to get here so i can swap out the bad stuff.
 

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Consider buying some long bolts to use as guide studs and hold your gasket in place during assembly/disassembly. I bought some 91280A358 100mm long 6mm diameter x 1.0mm pitch bolts from McMaster.com for the purpose. You get 25 of them for $10, plus $6.50 shipping. Chop the heads off, dremel in a screw slot and there you go. It takes about a minute a bolt.

McMaster often gets stuff to me in 1 or 2 days, but I am close to their Atlanta facility - 240 miles.

I could not find any bolts long enough at the local sources to do any good.

One guy took his stator off to avoid the magnetic grab and bind that is a factor here, but he was doing some trial and error stuff with his clutch. If you are going to do any trials, don't use your new gasket until you are satisfied with everything inside, and any testing is completed.

Speaking of which, is your clutch healthy? Satisfied with it? Now would be the time...

Have you rolled the engine over by the wheel to verify that it is not locked up? Might as well do the due diligence.

Your parts list looked right to me (who has never worked on a Vic starter). It's what I would start with. Though if I could afford the downtime, I would have torn it apart to see what was actually broken before ordering any expensive parts (no idea what you spent.)

Lastly someone wrote some notes on clutch replacement, thought it may have some application here. http://www.victoryforums.com/showthread.php?t=11529

Other posters have indicated, in other threads, that the 2" bolts were too short to help much with guiding, though they did hold the gasket in place, hence my 4" long bolts.
 

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OK, since were all reading horror story's about these starters, is there a secret touch to these tempremental starters? And does anybody know if ma victory upgraded the replacement parts?
 

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The OP stated it was cold and he was going to start a cold engine just to pull the bike into the garage--if I got that right. Don't know how many times he started his engine cold and ran it for a short time, but that does a lot of harm.
1. Don't start a hibernating engine unless you are going to take it out at least long enough to get the oil up to operating temperature. That would be about 20 minutes to a 1/2 hour depending.
2. Place a space heater that has a fan in it near the engine at least a 1/2 hour prior to starting to warm up and thin the oil to make life a lot easier for the battery and starter and the associated parts.
We have engines larger than some cars, yet our batteries and starters are much smaller and have to work harder. Its our job to help these small batteries and starters live a long life and cold starts don't help one bit.
 

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Oh, i was thinking of preventing a kick back, or do you hold the button down till its fully running? Sometimes mine seems to fire up right away on one cylinder then stall. When this happens it can be sometimes 2-3 times before its running normal.
 

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Oh, i was thinking of preventing a kick back, or do you hold the button down till its fully running? Sometimes mine seems to fire up right away on one cylinder then stall. When this happens it can be sometimes 2-3 times before its running normal.
mine does this also, i usually set the throttle a little when starting to keep it running the first time but i was in a rush and just started it and went to move it quick. thats when it stalled and kicked back.
 

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Oh, i was thinking of preventing a kick back, or do you hold the button down till its fully running? Sometimes mine seems to fire up right away on one cylinder then stall. When this happens it can be sometimes 2-3 times before its running normal.
You really should say what year and model you have. Can't help if you don't tell us
 

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keep in mind if its 40 outside and you want to ride deep inside the motor is maybe 30 or less
 

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You really should say what year and model you have. Can't help if you don't tell us
Your right..i have to edit my garage or avatar later. But for now its a 2013 xc. Sorry about that.thats a peeve of mine also. Put your bike information in.
 

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A few bikes I can think of over the years have a similar design. The Yamaha Vstar 1100 was famous for starter clutch murder.

They ended up going with a nonkickback starter and upgraded starter clutch.

I do remember their initial solution was:
Place the choke on full. Start the bike. Wait a 5-10 seconds then bring the choke to half position. Let the bike warm up at that position two or three minutes. Do not use the throttle at all during warm up.

Without choke on the new Vics I guess that's not possible. Great..... Yet another part on this thing that's designed wrong I have to worry about now............
 

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A few bikes I can think of over the years have a similar design. The Yamaha Vstar 1100 was famous for starter clutch murder.



They ended up going with a nonkickback starter and upgraded starter clutch.



I do remember their initial solution was:

Place the choke on full. Start the bike. Wait a 5-10 seconds then bring the choke to half position. Let the bike warm up at that position two or three minutes. Do not use the throttle at all during warm up.



Without choke on the new Vics I guess that's not possible. Great..... Yet another part on this thing that's designed wrong I have to worry about now............

I wouldn't call a couple failures out of thousands of bikes a wrongly designed part. Vic has used the same setup since the beginning. You don't hear about the tens of thousands of starters not failing on web forums.

In one of Lloyd's articles on his site. He explains how to start a Vic.
This is a cut and paste from Lloyd's tech article.

This is a simple procedure that everyone does but I'm going to shed some light on the method I prefer in starting a Victory the way I do.

This applies to all years and all model Victory's. Throughout the course of a year while I was on the road traveling I would tune between 300-450 Victory's a year, add in the shop work and that would add another 100 to the total. So it’s a fairly simple procedure, You hit the button and wait for it to come to life. With starting so many different bikes they do have their own characteristics but they all respond well to this procedure. Before hitting the button I roll the throttle slightly (about an 1/8 rotation) than I hit the button, once to life I like to hold the rpm's between 15-1800 Rpm's for approx 30-40 seconds if the bike is real cold (50 degrees and below) and 15-30 seconds if were above those temps.
Here’s some benefits of starting a bike the way I like too. When a bike is cold so is everything else. Oil is super thick and the oil pump is loaded heavy trying to push the oil through the small clearances to lubricate everything. When the motor first fires up it is straining just to maintain an idle, the computer is throwing allot of fuel (choke Mode) to the injectors to aide in the ease of running cold. This also wants to make things lumber and run slightly slower in engine speed. By using an 1/8 throttle rotation we help the engine overcome these conditions and supply oil to the critical parts quicker. We all know that a warm motor motor starts easier than a cold one as there is less drag and frictional losses to keep it running with less effort. Yes the bikes are fuel injected and some people assume there might be damage or that its just not correct to use throttle while starting a fuel injected bike. B.S. that’s not the case, not in these years but maybe the future of fuel injection may lead to different results as fly by wire becomes more common and wide band monitoring enters the motorcycle world.

Give it a shot your motor just might thank you.




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Thanks Dan I'll give loyds start a try next time. After this 9" forecast of snow passes. Ugh! We can't get a break this winter. I know I'm not alone.
 
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