Ran into a guy with a 09 Hammer at a local bike/car show last night. I was very surpized to see he had a Victory Hammer, a very nice one. His other bike is the BMW 1600 six cylinder. Talk about two diffent rides. He said he had originally bought the Hammer for a long trip bike, he now says it is more of a bar hopper,the BMW of course is the distance runner for him. Another guy I know came up and told me he had sold all his bikes. He then said he rented a Vision and he and his wife really liked it. Sounds like he is shopping for a Vision now. I know he has had few Harleys and I believe BMWs also. Victorys advertising does say you ride one and you'll buy one. I've rode several models, but I can only afford one. For a around the town bike I would like the old Judge I believe it could be a blast to run errands on, but no bags, have to get small items.