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Nice view point and yes we need to watch out for cagers however its a two way street and with windows up they cant even hear emergancy vehicles. As for the pipes well how about tinted windows of the cagers.. I like to hear what others think about us but please I have a whip (weighted) to smack cars with or open their windows for them should one get out of tune.
 

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That is just the opinion of one moron.
I spent many years riding motorcycles up and down Rt 12 between Jewett City and Norwich and of all the nincompoops I have had to deal with all over this country, except for one teenager in a gas station in Taftville that cut me off in the rain pulling into a gas station, I can't remember ever having any difficulty navigating in those towns. Good riding country, easy access to the casinos, the ocean, cool summer roads shaded under big oaks for miles.
That ignorant fool is just that, both ignorant and a fool... and this was just a different opinion from a different moron.
 

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That obviously biased opinion is something that we bring on ourselves.
The whole loud pipes save lives attitude leads to some of the disrespect that person is showing, even if only 1 person in 10 modifies their exhaust to "sound better".
Another place that we challenge and thus get attitude in return is people thinking it is OK to go at maximum speed through the twisties while often going double or more the posted speed limit.
We trigger attitudes just like the one showing up in that letter to the editor precisely because we are arrogant enough not to see things from the cager's perspective.
If we, as a group, acted with restraint and respect for other drivers and our neighbors, we would have less trouble with them.

It is not the cager that needs an attitude adjustment, we need to recognize that we are just a part of society and our preferences will never be placed first because there are so few riders.
 

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Yeah, that attitude's not okay. That sort of logic justifies whoever has the biggest rig has the most right-of-way. I see no more motorcyclists behaving foolishly than cagers in traffic. EVERYONE needs to be considerate and concerned with EVERYONE else on the road.
 

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That obviously biased opinion is something that we bring on ourselves.
The whole loud pipes save lis attitude leads to some of the disrespect that person is showing, even if only 1 person in 10 modifies their exhaust to "sound better".
Another place that we challenge and thus get attitude in return is people thinking it is OK to go at maximum speed through the twisties while often going double or more the posted speed limit.
We trigger attitudes just like the one showing up in that letter to the editor precisely because we are arrogant enough not to see things from the cager's perspective.
If we, as a group, acted with restraint and respect for other drivers and our neighbors, we would have less trouble with them.

It is not the cager that needs an attitude adjustment, we need to recognize that we are just a part of society and our preferences will never be placed first because there are so few riders.
Where to begin.

I imagine I'll take a swing at the notion that motorcyclists don't respect car drivers. I drive a car, a truck, another truck, a 10 wheeler, a dozer and a hoe, a good sized excavator, a White with a lo-boy and that's some of the stuff I pay for the tags on. I have run 200t hydraulic cranes down the highway and some fairly squirrelly loads of iron on flatbeds. I was respectful of other drivers, and concerned for motorcyclists. Why? I am one of any of the above.

The horses ass that spouted that malarkey is a moron and the type of moron that would no more consider the issues germaine to motorcyclists than the man in the moon. So let's dispense with blaming motorcyclists for not being receptive to the needs of motorists. We are motorists. The kind of jerk that spews that venom is not a motorcyclist.

There are ample studies and reams of data that define clearly that in multiple vehicle accidents involving motorcycles and autos, the majority of fault determinations are on the autos. If you want to carry some kind of guilt for our species or whatever motivates you to seek to validate that POV be my guest but don't include Pop. I am not inclined to defend the idiot behavior of others that statistically can result in me getting scraped off the roadbed.
 

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Pop, good and well, but here's one for your consideration....
I came out of a business and was gearing up next to my bike at the curb in front of the store. Busy area, many stores and pedestrians. A little girl about 4 years old was watching me don my helmet and gloves with rapt fascination. As I mounted up, she covered her ears with her hands. Even you would have felt the pang of guilt that moment, I would wager. No, I don't have loud pipes, but those who do have made negative impressions wherever they ride. As I stated earlier; We are each others ambassador...please act accordingly.
 

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If you want to carry some kind of guilt for our species or whatever motivates you to seek to validate that POV be my guest but don't include Pop. I am not inclined to defend the idiot behavior of others that statistically can result in me getting scraped off the roadbed.
Amen Pop!! I am a LEO and have dealt with multiple collisions involving 4 and 2 wheelers. Other than the occasional crotch rocket showing his tail, about 95% of the crashes are a result of a driver with "HUHA", if you know what I mean. Can't believe someone would defend that pompous bastard who would write a letter like that. And just for clarification it is us who watch out for fools like that. I'm not putting my life in anyone else's hands, especially jerks morons like that. ImageUploadedByMO Free1371267136.945057.jpg Couldn't be truer!!



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Amen Pop!! I am a LEO and have dealt with multiple collisions involving 4 and 2 wheelers. Other than the occasional crotch rocket showing his tail, about 95% of the crashes are a result of a driver with "HUHA", if you know what I mean.
As a motorcyclist, I think this is a very bad way to look at things. While the auto drivers may be at fault more often than not, it's our responsibility to be observant, proactive, and skilled enough to avoid the negligent.

Personally, in a few decades and hundreds of thousands of biked miles on the road, I've had two minor incidents and both were my fault even though in both cases cages were involved that didn't do what I had expected them to do.

Can't believe someone would defend that pompous bastard who would write a letter like that.
I don't see anyone defending that, but rather pointing out that our actions are the root of such fanatical thought processes.

I submit Exhibit A:

http://msnvideo.msn.com/?channelindex=2&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=42010#/video/d441f2b9-17c7-4620-8407-078160b6ec65

Notice how the officer behaved? I'm guessing that he probably doesn't wring the neck of every accident victim he encounters.

Think maybe the the pack's actions affected the emotions of that officer? Any reason to think the same can't be true of the general population that writes to the editorial pages?
 

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Maybe a month or two back I was in my pickup cruising down a Colorado backwater 2 lane. I passed a guy in a passing zone and a rocket split the space between me and the car I was passing. Idiot. I'm not defending that behavior. Matter of fact although it takes me some effort to get my joints to cooperate in the morning had that bonehead and I met up down the road, I entertained the notion of giving him the benefit of a second life threatening adventure that morning for the potential misery that he had exposed me and the other driver to. I digress.

Nothing that he did invited venomous diatribes in the local press targeting an entire group of peeps. There was nothing constructive to be gotten from painting all of us with that nitwits brush. It was the stupid act of a dolt who is only alive due to the convergence of luck and timing.

People who send letters to the editor decrying the ways of an entire segment of the community due to the aberrant behavior of the few combined with their own ignorance of that segments way of life are, among other less acceptable labels, bigots. I don't defend bigots and I don't attempt to placate them so that they will keep their ignorant yaps shut.

That writer is revealing at least a tendency to sociopathy and if he (or she) is to be believed, is dangerous to people that I know and have ridden with as well as some of the posters to this board who live in SE CT.

No matter what the worst of us does, until motorcyclists cross a line where they publicly proclaim that the highway is a game of "survival of the fittest" based on the inference that motorists are less fit to survive than motorcyclists, I won't split hairs looking for common ground with shitheads like the author. When we, motorcyclists, do cross that line, I will not defend our crazy talk either. My family are motorists and I am a motorist.

I am however grateful to the publisher for letting it fly. We need vivid reminders that not only are we in a potentially lethal way of life but that there are those that are fine with the concept of doing harm to us and they don't understand that there is something fundamentally wrong with that. Too few motorcyclists get that.

RICZ, my hope is that, as has been the case since George Hendee slapped a one lunger into a bicycle frame in 1901 and putted down the streets of Springfield past little girls with their hands over their ears, that the little girl you encountered is probably going to wake up in some guys bed one day smug in the notion that all the fears and BS her parents fed her about motorcycles turned out to not only be (mostly) untrue, but that it made the whole thing that much more exciting.

Reminds me of the chorus from one of my favorite James McMurtry songs...

No helmet or a care in the world
Bein' such a bad little girl
Your face buried in the back of his shirt
Shut your eyes and you'll never get hurt
On the Valley road
 

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Man, what a narrow minded dick that guy is. Just yesterday i was cut off with no turn signal no less then 4 times by the same guy...when we ended up at the same light (was it really worth driving like a tool then?) i saw he was on his cell the whole time. But yea, bikes are the problem eh buddy.

Yes theres hotdogs and assholes operating every range of vehicle on the roads. Hot dog bikers are putting them selves at risk...but the vast majority of riders i run into are courteous and pay way more attention to the road and other drivers then the average cager.

What a dick.
 

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Aww Shucks, They forgot to put the name and address of the author. Or maybe they wanted to remain anonymous after they got off their soapbox and blurted their opinion out into the universe for everyone to read. I was always told growing up if you're afraid of someone overhearing something you say, then its best not to say it and keep your mouth shut.

I'll admit that I have an loud obnoxious exhaust on the highball. I set off car alarms if I gun it down the street. Do i enjoy that? Quite frankly, no. Do I prefer the whole neighborhood knowing when I get home and when I leave. Not particularly. But if just one more Jerk0ff like the one that wrote that piece, hears me coming and rolls their eyes...then I guess its worth it. When I had the stock quiet exhaust someone edged to my lane and then Jumped when i reached through their open window and tapped them to wake them up... because the reflective gear, running lights, headlight, flashing lights in the back of my helmet were not enough... I'm not trying to turn this into another loud pipes thread. Its been done to death.

Do loud pipes cause this idiots like this to aim for us. Nah there's plenty of things... legal and illegal to get this persons skin... and if they're so obsessed with finding things to make them unhappy and reasons to write keyboard warrior gripes about... then there's no changing their opinion. If you notice, they claim to be cut off and stop lights and intersections buy guys that are filtering. Most people i've seen that filter usually punch it off the line faster than any minivan or average sedan will, and are out of the way of the pack before it even gets rolling. I have yet to see an article like this written by a motorcyclist trying to bully bicyclists because our bikes are bigger... or running down pedestrians because we're faster or weigh more with the added weight of our bikes. That same moron will probably write another letter next week about some other denomination of citizen that's different and he/she feels should have less rights than they do.

Its unfortunate that things have to be this way between bikers and cagers. Especially because of a loud exhaust or some squids... or Haters that believe a bike should have to sit in the middle of California traffic because its just not fair that bikers get to split lanes. At this point it is what it is. When the two collide and everyone can no longer hide behind their 2 ton vehicle...I guess we'll find out who's wants to make their point the most.

p.s. That @$$clown squid that wheelied into the cop car got what he deserved.
 

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RICZ, my hope is that, as has been the case since George Hendee slapped a one lunger into a bicycle frame in 1901 and putted down the streets of Springfield past little girls with their hands over their ears, that the little girl you encountered is probably going to wake up in some guys bed one day smug in the notion that all the fears and BS her parents fed her about motorcycles turned out to not only be (mostly) untrue, but that it made the whole thing that much more exciting.
Pop, my inference was that the little girl was covering her ears due to associating all bikes with those that have loud pipes. I assume it was a learned behavior, not one brought on by parental schooling.
 

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As a motorcyclist, I think this is a very bad way to look at things. While the auto drivers may be at fault more often than not, it's our responsibility to be observant, proactive, and skilled enough to avoid the negligent.

Personally, in a few decades and hundreds of thousands of biked miles on the road, I've had two minor incidents and both were my fault even though in both cases cages were involved that didn't do what I had expected them to do.



I don't see anyone defending that, but rather pointing out that our actions are the root of such fanatical thought processes.

I submit Exhibit A:

http://msnvideo.msn.com/?channelindex=2&from=en-us_msnhp&gt1=42010#/video/d441f2b9-17c7-4620-8407-078160b6ec65

Notice how the officer behaved? I'm guessing that he probably doesn't wring the neck of every accident victim he encounters.

Think maybe the the pack's actions affected the emotions of that officer? Any reason to think the same can't be true of the general population that writes to the editorial pages?
I can tell u statistically and from observing crashes in my state as a officer most of the 2 vehicle accidents involving MC's are due to failure to yield on the four wheelers part. Whether it is pulling out in front of or making a left turn in front of a MC. There are the occasional slam on the brake which causes a rider to have to lay his bike down.

Any which way you look at it 4 wheelers do not respect 2 wheelers the way they would if it were a dump or a log truck bearing down on them. I figure they suspect a "lite" MC can react quicker or whatever.

The a$$ munch that wrote the letter apparently has a problem with the biking culture and he is expressing it by pretty much saying if you run over a MC oh well it's selective evolution. Defending him by saying "we bring those attitudes on ourselves" seems like a defense of his opinion by being apologetic on behalf of bikers.

I can tell u legally a motorcycle has as much legal right to the road as any other vehicle, and for that fact so does a bicycle. Telling motorist to watch out for motorcycles is great defensive driving advice. There is no need to to take blame for the down side of the biking culture because some moron can't take advice. I ride my bike defensively and respectfully and if a guy like that causes me to lay down my Ness Jpot because he's got a problem with "bikers" he better hope I'm not able to get up after I take the slide. He will learn a new respect for life, mine and his own..


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i can tell u statistically and from observing crashes in my state as a officer most of the 2 vehicle accidents involving mc's are due to failure to yield on the four wheelers part. Whether it is pulling out in front of or making a left turn in front of a mc. There are the occasional slam on the brake which causes a rider to have to lay his bike down.

Any which way you look at it 4 wheelers do not respect 2 wheelers the way they would if it were a dump or a log truck bearing down on them. I figure they suspect a "lite" mc can react quicker or whatever.

The a$$ munch that wrote the letter apparently has a problem with the biking culture and he is expressing it by pretty much saying if you run over a mc oh well it's selective evolution. Defending him by saying "we bring those attitudes on ourselves" seems like a defense of his opinion by being apologetic on behalf of bikers.

I can tell u legally a motorcycle has as much legal right to the road as any other vehicle, and for that fact so does a bicycle. Telling motorist to watch out for motorcycles is great defensive driving advice. There is no need to to take blame for the down side of the biking culture because some moron can't take advice. I ride my bike defensively and respectfully and if a guy like that causes me to lay down my ness jpot because he's got a problem with "bikers" he better hope i'm not able to get up after i take the slide. He will learn a new respect for life, mine and his own.



amen!!!...
 
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