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Seem like a lot of folks that have the Cross Roads or Cross Country were those that upgraded from Kingpins. What were the main aspects that convinced you to upgrade?
Do you ride more 2-up or solo?
Do you take more out of town trips or more of a commuter?

And, for those of you that choose the XC over the XR, what was the big selling point that made it worth the extra $3k?

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What is your age and what is your life style.
I like a bagger for the reason that if I want to take a trip down the river I can take my jacket chaps or even a hoody. I have wind and rain protection and I can come home when its in the low 50's and be warm.
During the day running around town and want to pick up something at the store I have room to do it and I can maneuver threw traffic with easy. If the girl friend comes along she has a place for her purse and a jacket. I even have room for night and day glass's.
Kingpin is a great bike and its beautifully designed but its more a bar hopper and short trip day bike. Ya you can bungee stuff on and pay $150 for a windshield and get around just fine. O ya you can buy saddlebag's for $500 that don't quiet look like they belong on the bike.
Its kinda un fair to us when we no nothing about you or who you would ride with or where you live.
The places I go and the bars I hang out at it seams more people are going for long rides and over night or a week trip.
So what does your wallet say you can afford.
 

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Background

Well, I guess I little background on me, couldn't hurt.
Going up, I was always on a motorcycle. But, after college and moving to the "big city" :), I quit riding. So 20 years later...
I'm 43 and getting younger! ;)
Made a bet with the wife, that if I lost 100 lbs, then I can get the bike of my choice. I've lost 55 so far.
The bet as turned out to be at 75 lbs, the wife is going to go thru the MSF riding course, and decide if she wants to ride herself or just get on the back of mine...

Determining what my riding habits well be has been a little hard. At first I thought I would just commute to work, gym and short rides on the weekends. But, I would like to find a nice riding group or 2 and take a few weekend to rally rides. And, event rides for charity and such would be fun also...

With that said, I think the wife's choice to ride herself or not, will play a large part of what I choose as my first bike. I'm betting she decides to just ride 2-up. In which case, I'll be looking at the XR or XC. Then once that is paid for, get a solo custom bobber to hop around town and play twisties rides on the weekend.

I live in the South, Birmingham to be precise. So, what do you see as the pros and cons of the XR vs XC? The fairing is nice, but almost feels like I might as well be driving my truck, almost too comfy. But, the XR front end being more up and the Kingpin rumble, feel more like I'm riding a motorcycle...

Thanks for any and all feedback! --Henry
 

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i have a 08 kp & love it. its my second one, 1st was hit and totaled bought anouther same year & color BUT put split duels, with a lot more goodies. ill be honest with you after i bought my 2nd kp 3 weeks later thay reveled the cross bikes, & ill tell ya when i saw and road it i fell for it. i cant trade and relly dont wont to because the kp is a fine bike and i have put 1600 miles in 4 days of just crusing around with my wife. i have a tour set up with hardstreet bags, ipod & speekers, and would go as long as any vision, or cross bike and look dam good getting there. BUT saying that if you wont to buy a vic and dont have one, get the cross bikes. soon as i make the last payment im buying anouther one cc OR indian ? hopefully a chief.thin ill have bobber, kptour, ? :crzy:
 

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Everything you ask about the differences between not only the X bikes but also in comparison to the H-D options was in a thread I created to help me with similar decisions. Take a look. I think you will find it beneficial.
http://www.victoryforums.com/showthread.php?t=4984
 

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Hi There,
I just want to add two cents as the other half of a "two up."

First of all, I have been through the MSF class and have my license. I also have experience riding dirt bikes and just sold a scooter that I had for 7 years but rarely rode. I found the MSF class to be very easy to pass and thouroghly enjoyed riding in class. However, what I found is that I am a very nervous driver in traffic. It wasn't that I was unsure of braking, gravel, obtsacles etc., as I developed great skills in the dirt, I just never got comfortable with all the cars around me. I know enough about bikes to know that a nervous rider can be worse than an aggressive one. So, to stay safe, I stick to the back of a bike. Before you invest in a bike for your wife, make sure she is very comfortable riding on the road. It is a very different experience than the class. I do believe the MSF class makes me a better passenger, though, and highly recommend all passengers take the class.
My husband has an '09 Jackpot in a really nice orange paint scheme that seems to grab everyone's attention, so I did not dare ask him to give it up. When he bought it I really didn't think through passenger comfort. That bike rides so stiff that everytime we go over a bump I actually lift myself from the seat so I won't get that searing shockwave up my spine. Plus, he won't add a windshield (because (he says) it will ruin the look of the bike) so, I am constantly fighting the wind. Even so, I LOVE riding on the back of the bike! I don't know about the Kingpin, but if it rides like the Jackpot, your wife may enjoy "riding" with you but she will NOT enjoy the "ride". For us, something had to be done...We just purchased a XC and are waiting for it to come in. This bike is really my bike, chosen specifically for my comfort. We went to a demo day and test rode the XR, XC, and Vision. I had to resist the urge to go straight for the Vision (it was like going from a hard cot to a king size pillow top bed) and really think through our riding style, which is mostly day trips around town and through the foothills and mountains of northern CA. The XR/XC really seemed to fit the bill. I can tell you that the XR seat that goes with the soft bags is narrower and has a different slope than the XC seat that goes with the hard bags. It's a subtle difference, but the XC seat is much more comfortable. I believe it can be put on the XR if you change to hard bags, but it is an upgrade. We ended up ordering both the trunk and backrest. I tried both and found them very comfortable. We liked the backrest for daytrips, but felt the trunk would be nice for overnight. Oh yeah, passenger floorboards are awesome!! The XR doesn't currently have passenger floorboards and it is not offered as an option. When we started adding all the upgrades for the XR to make it comfy for me, we were getting close to a XC. Plus, we never thought we would want a radio, but found it to be very fun to listen to. So XC it was. I'm feeling very good about the seat, but now wonder about the buffeting. I have been reading a ton about it on this forum, and I think I have it pretty dialed on the driver needs, but c'mon boys...somebody give a little information on how your various shields and lowers have effected your favorite passenger.:) I have only seen one or two posts that give specific information on this. (we are considering the arlen ness combo)

I don't think I will ever get back on that Jackpot..and hubby is thrilled to put the cool solo seat back on..

Susan
 

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And, for those of you that choose the XC over the XR, what was the big selling point that made it worth the extra $3k?
I can answer this part of your questions.

I chose the XC over the XR because I wanted the entire touring package; including the trunk.

Both the XC and XR are fully capable of long distance touring but the XC will be better in the long run (pun intended).

Having the extra wind break and stereo along with the all the other options like XM and GPS just makes it even better. Of course you could retro-fit the XR to have all that stuff but the XC is more designed for it.

After saying all that; it's worth mentioning the XR can turn into a cool lookin' blvd cruiser in just a couple minutes. The XC can't do that.
 

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Thanks tkrieg (Susan)!
That was great insight. If I had to predict, I believe my wife will be like you. Traffic will make her too nervous. But, is is the type that wants to try it out for herself. So, I figure she'll start on smaller used bikes, and decides...

Somone else suggested I'll probably need 2 bikes! :D
I could see me starting out with a new XR or XC. Then, picking up a used Kingpin, to completely customize into a solo bike.

But, we will have to see how this all shakes out... wac
 

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Your in a hard place trying to decide what to do any we can give all the advise in the word but your going to have to go with what you feel is best and what your bank account will let you go with.
As much fun it is to ride by your self its just as much fun when the lady is behind you. My girl friend has been quiet frisky at times we had to find a dirt road real quick. We a good 10 years older then you.
You'll be able to see it in her eyes weather she'll be a good rider by her self or not. Fear shows up on your face even if you say your ok.
A kingpin would be a great bike for her. There pretty that have the comforts she will need with the windshield and bags. If you want to ride 2 up the bike will be just great.
Susan take the course again next year in the spring to refresh what you all ready know. You be surprised how much you forgot and we all get to cocky for are own good.
When I back out of the garage I always tell my self if I have a flat don't use that brake or if the light turns yellow don't run it. If your going to ride with a group hang in back and try to follow a rider that is being smart the way he rides. Its better then the hot roder that thinks he knows it all.
 

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+1 on visionjohnny's comments
 

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Drop down to Pelham at the Victory store. It's easy to find. They will most likely have both in stock. It's rather large Victory shop. Not far from you. I am at the Hope Lodge this week and thinking of dropping in tomorrow or Thursday. heading home Friday.

Sit on 1 and they may have 1 you can test ride, you never know
 

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I went thru the Victory demo rides 2 weekends ago. I rode everything!! more than once ;)
Really loved all 3 bikes, for their differences. Problem is I really want 2 bikes. A stripped downed flashy solo bike. And, a 2-up comfort tour bike...
Guess the question is which will come first? wac
 

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Nope. No more classes for me. It isn't really about the skills for me, I am just really nervous that the cars don't see me and I don't trust my ability to react. But, I trust my husband completely. (He has been riding since his teens) VisionJohhny, I am with your girlfriend. I'm just south of 50 and have been married for 17 years. But, when I ride on the back of that bike, I feel just like a teenager on a first date...definitely good for the marriage!

My husband does really enjoy going out with the boys too, though. I'm sure his riding style is a lot different when I am not on the back of the bike, and the Jackpot will continue to fit the bill for that.

Whatever you decide, Henry, I'm sure you and your wife will thoroughly enjoy it!
 
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