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Hi again all,

Well, after the rather long introduction over the past few days I want to share an idea with you all, and I would dearly love to hear your reaction, either publicly, by PM (or email: [email protected]). I want to say from the outset that this idea has only developed in my mind in the last few days having seen all the camaraderie and fascinating stuff on here, and the warm welcome so many of you have given me, as well as the great advice over my wish to buy the High-Ball in Taipei. (I am still hoping we can agree a price!)

I have become completely fascinated by VICTORY, fired up initially by going to see that High-Ball in the one and only showroom here in Taiwan and the dealer's great attitude (Victory/Indian), then by the friendly welcome I received from you guys. I have been reading as much as I can about the brand and the more I become involved the more fascinated I have become.

So, the idea:

I am really fired up to write a book about VICTORY. It would be such a great story, conception to conclusion, Victory - The Complete Story. I am still in the very early stages of developing the idea but so far I am thinking of a book which would include not only the motorcycles themselves, cold and factual (although that must be in there and of course is essential), but also about VICTORY worldwide. I am envisaging stories and photographs of owners wherever they may be, road trips, experiences, some adventurous and some perhaps even humorous, and maybe even just some stories of every day usage - why ride a VICTORY, how and when you ride your bike, etc.

I envisage another chapter on marketing and advertising, again preferably with a worldwide flavour.

Ideally I would love to get a contact within Polaris. I have no intention to say anything negative about them, just to tell the story, and indeed in one section (maybe in the introductory chapter) I would praise the Indian brand - so Polaris should get something positive out of it. Of course I would have to cover the decision to pull the plug, but would do so factually and carefully. What I am trying to get is a suitable contact within Polaris.

I really wish we could hear from the designers and those within the Victory company. What was the original concept, how did it develop, was it led by a passion for motorcycles first and then moderated by financial considerations, or was it an economic decision to which the passion was then injected? Who came up with the name? Why? I have so many questions in my head I would love to ask!

I could go on - my mind is buzzing with ideas but for now let me leave it like this.

I was thinking of waiting before I shared this idea with you all, but one of the other members knows about this and suggested I shared it earlier, so here it is. There is NO DOUBT that this will only be possible with your help. I am not an expert by ANY means, but I am full of enthusiasm and if there is a feeling from you all that it is indeed worthwhile I will work doggedly to achieve something which is of interest.

I should maybe mention, to be completely open with you all, I am NOT a professional journalist and I am certainly not for a second expecting to get a dime from this. I am a retired British army officer. I have written numerous magazine articles over the years and have helped several friends with editing of their books. I am currently working on a couple of other completely unrelated books. So, I guess what I am saying is that I think I can write ok, I have lots of enthusiasm and energy and time, but I have no real knowledge of putting a book of this type together nor about copyright etc. I will learn, and I do have a couple of friends who have written professionally so am sure they will be able to offer me guidance.

Currently I am trawling EBAY for brochures, adverts and anything else to build up a body of research material beyond what I can readily find online. If anyone has any "stuff" do please let me know that too. And if anyone has a copy of the previous book, in any condition but at an affordable price, I would love to hear from you (maybe many of my questions would be answered in there).

So, that's very roughly the idea. What I really want to hear is whether the general feeling is a positive one. Is it a worthwhile project? If it goes ahead, would any of you be able to offer your stories and high-res photos?

I have set myself a date of roughly the middle of September to make the decision whether to proceed. By that time I hope I will have a decent idea whether there is sufficient interest- as I said, this would be OUR book - it would be completely impossible for me to do it without your support and encouragement. Also by then I should know if I can get interest from Polaris with access to press photos, and hopefully introductions to personalities within the company.

Do please let me know what you honestly think - worthwhile or not?

Regards from Taiwan,

Mark (aka Llama)
 

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You will find everything on the development of the Victory Motorcycle, from the ideas of a few brave and enterprising motorcycle enthusiast Polaris employees, through to its unveiling in Las Vegas on July 4, 1998.
In the book The Victory Motorcycle.
 
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Thanks - yes, I am trying to get my hands on a copy.
 

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Thanks - yes, I am trying to get my hands on a copy.
Well you're outta luck on here I just did a search and the two $50 copies sold.
The high priced one is probably available but you'd be better off looking on Amazon
 
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Yes, I saw one available in UK at mega bucks!
 

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I saw one for $85 on Amazon a few minutes ago.
They won't go down in value.
Grab it before someone else does.
 
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YIKES, $110 with shipping to me...anyhow, I ordered it. Thanks.

Now about this book idea...?????
 

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YIKES, $110 with shipping to me...anyhow, I ordered it. Thanks.

Now about this book idea...?????
Lotta hard work mate, don't let that stop you though.
You've now got all the early history once you read the book you'll have a new passion for the breed that's for sure!
I don't fancy your chances on getting any Co operation from Foolaris though, the sooner we all disappear the happier they will be.
If you do go ahead just make sure you get it right.
And I wouldn't be pissing in Foolaris pocket either.
That's an Aussie expression for sucking up to the bastards.
Good Luck.
Maybe your time would be better spent riding that Highball,
 
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Certainly hope to be riding that High-Ball as much as I can...but first they have to agree the price with me. Come on guys!

Maybe I should add about this book idea:- I think I mentioned that I am Brit Army veteran and to be honest I think it would be good for my sanity to have a major project to focus my attention on. I retired slightly early after 33 years service, and straight to Taiwan where there is zero military camaraderie for me, so it would be good to have an interesting project that I can really commit myself to full heartedly. But you are right, a lot of work, and that's why I am trying to see what the reaction is here. If the reaction is only luke warm I will forget it, but if people want to get involved and encourage me to get on with it I will devote myself to the best of my ability to seeing it through to a nice completion. Hence me setting a decision point of mid September. Obviously I don't want to waste my time and money if there is little appetite for it. But for now I am fully fired up with enthusiasm!

Interesting your comments about the Mother Ship...thanks for the heads up.
 

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I honestly believe if you don't someone else will...and as the hands of time creep by more and more will written about the mythical beast that once (and still) roam the roads of the world. Yours could be the first or among the first. I am envisioning a slick, glossy coffee-table book with ample photographic reference, and plenty of anecdotal stories about peoples personal relationships and experiences with their rides, and a final chapter about the clannish group that still rides, customizes and preserves the legend.
 

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If I were to write a book about Victory motorcycles, I would flatter the designers and chastise the marketing people and execs. The designers made a bike equally easy to ride and to service, no small feat. The marketing people had no clear idea how to promote it.
My book would read like a mystery novel, asking who killed the victim and learning that were many conspirators. Of course, there would be a lot of sex.
 

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Humbly subscribed to this extremely interesting idea, I agree with the statement

I you won't do it, someone else will,

Hence see YouTube hundreds of "victory is dead" kinda blogs, the books can't stay away any longer, it kinda special story as we all know and agree.....

Andre using TaPaTaLk
 

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Polaris/Victory company will probably be no help to you. Am guessing they wouldn't care about you writing a book.
Am guessing it will take you a good year to gather information. Still guessing by the time you get done with the book there might not be many interested in it.
Good Luck in your adventure
 

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Something is totally troubling with this thread and I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like what shows up in my junk email folder..
 
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RICZ - thanks! 5AM here in Taiwan and sat chuckling on my balcony, so yours would be titled something like "Victory, from Concept to Contraception, Conspiracy to Conclusion"!
 

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Visionjohnny, ok thanks. Yes I was thinking a year minimum, unless there was massive support and encouragement now. Thanks for your view...it is useful.
 

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BP6666VR. Yes, surely someone must, and whoever it is, whether me or someone else, I just really hope they connect with the many owners and enthusiasts around the world.

I guess that was really my "concept", yes, to factually and accurately tell the story, but to bring it to life - real people, people who had the original ideas, people who marketed it, but also people who have bought these bikes, who are passionate about them, the adventures they have had with them, and yes - how they might feel now. I wouldn't wish to dwell on the latter and make it a book about just the end of the story, but nor do I feel it should be avoided. Real people, real stories, some people who have invested huge amounts of time and passion and some who have also maybe stretched themselves financially to buy these motorcycles because they love them.
 

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Opening paragraph....

RICZ - thanks! 5AM here in Taiwan and sat chuckling on my balcony, so yours would be titled something like "Victory, from Concept to Contraception, Conspiracy to Conclusion"!
Opening paragraph.....
The letter sent a chill up my spine. It warned of an impending murder. No word as to how to prevent it, it was going to happen regardless. I felt helpless and heartsick because it foretold the death of not one, but an entire family. Where do I go? What do I do?
 

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Visionjohnny, ok thanks. Yes I was thinking a year minimum, unless there was massive support and encouragement now. Thanks for your view...it is useful.
Great idea Llama. Solid project and by the time you finish this book the Victory brand may have been bought again..... you'll have to start another ;-)
 
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