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The annual toy run is today. Sponsored by the local HD dealer. They will ride from the dealer with police escort to a place down town that is bars and restaurants. I don't know how many attend, but it's a lot. They take up five blocks double row parking down the middle. At the final destination. I rode in it once many years a go. Now me and some friends go early go to a beer joint with a balcony and watch them ride in. The Marines will have trucks. I guess 5 ton trucks. They will be loaded with toys. But anyway after riding in the toy run that year. I'll never do it again, It's insane. Way to many people and way to many can't ride for crap.
 

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Amen brother. I've witnessed people going down right in front of me by just a few bikes ahead taking down others. A lot of really bad riders riding in a pack like that is a recipe for potential disaster. You have the right idea. Participate but don't ride in the pack.

On the other hand; everyone should do it one time and roll the dice just to see what it's like. I remember years ago back in the late 80's a bunch of us rode up to the L.A. Toy Run (probably the biggest in the country at the time) from San Diego. As we got closer to the Colosseum or whatever that place was with the huge parking lot; the freeways started filling up more and more with motorcycles until it was literally a sea of bikes rolling in to one spot in L.A from all directions. It was a cool and empowering feeling and sight.

Back then cars tended to give bikes a bit more respect than now though. Still; everyone should feel that at least once I think plus it makes a difference for some kid on Christmas morning. A double good feeling.

Edit: It's usually the hot dogging guys who make it dangerous. They think they are great riders (they ain't) and have a loud fast bike (that does burn outs and wheelies :D) so they want to show off in front of everyone until they hurt themselves and maybe others.
 

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When on group rides most are strangers. I know nothing about them. So ride in the back of the pack is best. You can see how many have poor braking habits and yes never shift out of 5th not even at 30 mph. No need to be in a rush they'll have plenty of food and drink by the time you get there
 

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When on group rides most are strangers. I know nothing about them. So ride in the back of the pack is best. You can see how many have poor braking habits and yes never shift out of 5th not even at 30 mph. No need to be in a rush they'll have plenty of food and drink by the time you get there
The only problem with riding in the back is all the other good riders are thinking the same thing so who really gets to ride in the back?

What I've seen small groups do who are used to riding together is wait till the big main pack leaves then wait a little while because the big pack will slow down and speed up (the rubber band effect). Then they get to the final destination either about the same time or shortly after the big main pack. If they catch up they just hold back a mile or so with their small group and pace the big one from way back.
 

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It was a descent time. Seen a few old friends. New maybe 15 people. Not like the old days when you new 40, 50 people. But that's happens when you get old. Not a great turn out though. In the mid 20,s this morning. But got up to the high 50,s in the afternoon. The run didn't leave until 2pm. We got there about 1:30. Watched them ride in about 2:45 or 3:00. I TOOK OFF ABOUT 4:00. Just ain't like the old days. All the wild ones are gone.................
 

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Yeah; I've seen the same thing NAB. The old schooler's are dying off as fewer and fewer younger riders take their place.

This may be part of why Polaris bailed on Victory like they did. They gambled that a newer style, more edgy, brand like Victory would attract younger riders and it did but not to the extent they needed it to in order to keep the brand alive. Their marketing dept. no doubt made mistakes too. This story is history now though...

They will likely be able to keep the Polaris Indian brand alive for at least 10 years but as the boomers die off fewer and fewer people will take their place as buyers for a product they have no interest in. By then it may all be about electric bikes or even flying bikes for all we know. More likely it will be about something we can't yet imagine at some point; maybe 20 years tops.
 

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If Polaris was smart they would be thinking ahead to that time and get ahead of the curve.

Then again they may just stick with what has worked for them decade after decade; off road 4 wheelers and snowmobiles.

I can picture a Can Am looking thing with twin rotors housed in a protective unit to prevent junk and people parts from getting caught in them. Might be two up front and one bigger one in back or maybe 4 of them. Can Am is basically a snowmobile with wheels and more electronics.

Once the battery issue is solved; a big leap forward in e-powered everything will blossom and boom.

We need that "Mr. Fusion" thing from the Back to the Future movies. ;)
 

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If Polaris was smart they would be thinking ahead to that time and get ahead of the curve.

Then again they may just stick with what has worked for them decade after decade; off road 4 wheelers and snowmobiles.

I can picture a Can Am looking thing with twin rotors housed in a protective unit to prevent junk and people parts from getting caught in them. Might be two up front and one bigger one in back or maybe 4 of them. Can Am is basically a snowmobile with wheels and more electronics.

Once the battery issue is solved; a big leap forward in e-powered everything will blossom and boom.

We need that "Mr. Fusion" thing from the Back to the Future movies. ;)
There was 3 Victory's there/ 3 or 4 Indians. A few jap bikes and hundreds of HD's. The thing about Polaris. You can't really count on them to keep a brand going. They dumped their water craft and now Victory. Now there is a lot of crouch rocket people out there. But they don't do the traditional old biker stuff. Some of them my come around as they get older. I seen some younger guys in the clubs. Damn there is so fricking many clubs around here now. They come and go like fly's. But that another subject. HD has come out with their 500 and 750cc scooters trying to attract a younger crowd. I know several of the people that work at the HD dealership here. Known and associated with them for years. They say they sell a few of the smaller bikes, but nothing over whelming. The 750cc is pretty nice. But they are made in India and that sucks. What ever happens is what will happen.
 

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I don't believe the 500 and 750's are made for not here but more for overseas crowded roads. If you see any of the photos or videos they have 1000 of cars and bikes and it looks like five o'clock all day long. HD is trying to fight the vespa / scooter group.
 
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