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Just put a set of flat black contrast cut speaker grills on my XC. I LOVE them! They fit tight and snap on from the front using the stock mounting points. They sound the same (or maybe better) as the stock grill too.

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Interesting looking. They seem expensive though for what they are. $289 is a lot of money for a couple of pieces of machined aluminum.




I'd take the flat black version if they were more affordable.

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CNC machining isn't cheap.... Look how much other contrast cut stuff costs (exhaust tips, shifter levers, etc)
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Interesting looking. They seem expensive though for what they are. $289 is a lot of money
I'd take the flat black version if they were more affordable.

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Yes I do agree with you about the cost it does "seem" expensive until you ad up the cost of what it take to make the part. The raw aluminum isn't costly at all (about $20) but what is expensive is what it cost to machine it. It take 1.25 hours to machine in a $150/ hour machine then you still have to sandblast and powder coat then put it back in the $150/hour machine for 10min and contrast cut them and don't forget about uncle Sam he wants his 40%. We could start shipping everything over seas and we could offer a $99 grill but I won't I believe that that is what is wrong in the en port system in this country.
 

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Just going by the fact that I've seen a lot of other complex cut/machined billet pieces for a lot less over time in the motorcycle and snowmobile accessory fields. Perhaps those other peoples' machines aren't running 100% of the time so the cost to use them isn't $150/hr lost profit.

In any event, regardless of what it actually cost you to make it, $289 is more than I'd spend for two pieces of machined aluminum as speaker grills, which is all that really matters to me. If you can sell a ton of them at that price then good for you! Must be doing something right.

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I.'m sorry that you (and others) feel that way but the truth is that we aren't in a HD market we have to absorb our R&D cost in the 50 sets that we may sell in the next 2 years. If we were able to sell 1000 a year we could sell them for $150 but we can't we are only a 2 person shop and the only way we can compete is to offer superior products that don't exist anywhere else. There is a reason that we are the only manufacturer to make speaker grills they were incredibly hard to design, complex and time consuming to machine, and hard to market at the price point. I believe that we will always be criticized for our price points because we tackle the projects that no one else wants to do or is able to dO
 

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I.'m sorry that you (and others) feel that way but the truth is that we aren't in a HD market we have to absorb our R&D cost in the 50 sets that we may sell in the next 2 years. If we were able to sell 1000 a year we could sell them for $150 but we can't we are only a 2 person shop and the only way we can compete is to offer superior products that don't exist anywhere else. There is a reason that we are the only manufacturer to make speaker grills they were incredibly hard to design, complex and time consuming to machine, and hard to market at the price point. I believe that we will always be criticized for our price points because we tackle the projects that no one else wants to do or is able to dO
I'm not into HD stuff either so that's not my point of reference. I've dealt a lot with aftermarket things for Honda cycles (VTX mainly, with some CBR) and various snowmobiles. None of those are HD volume things either.

I'm not being critical of your products, just saying that $289 is a lot of money to replace a cosmetic speaker grill, in my opinion. Don't be offended, I'm just one person with an opinion and probably not in your target audience. Like I said, if the pricing model is working for you then good job. I'm just not a likely customer for this piece. There are a lot of other types of aftermarket parts I would not spend the $$ for either because they are above my cost-to-value threshold. Kewlmetal had some beautiful sculpted chrome exhaust tips for V&H Big Shots but they weren't worth $300 to me. Same reason I'd never drop thousands on a big front wheel like other people do. To each their own.

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The product isn't over priced it may be more than you would want to spend on this product but not over priced. If it were a grill that I could cut simply from one side with no contour it would be a lot cheaper. I value my time and I'm not going to give it away. Do you? I am willing to under value my time to be competitive in a market that is flooded with Chinese crap. Anyone in the machining field can tell you how hard it is to keep there job from going overseas. By saying that this product is over priced you are telling me that my time isn't worth the dollar amount that I put on it. I'm sure that I make less money than 90% of the people that by my product.
 

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The product isn't over priced it may be more than you would want to spend on this product but not over priced. If it were a grill that I could cut simply from one side with no contour it would be a lot cheaper. I value my time and I'm not going to give it away. Do you? I am willing to under value my time to be competitive in a market that is flooded with Chinese crap. Anyone in the machining field can tell you how hard it is to keep there job from going overseas. By saying that this product is over priced you are telling me that my time isn't worth the dollar amount that I put on it. I'm sure that I make less money than 90% of the people that by my product.
The judgement of 'overpriced' is what the market will bear in a free market economy. If you're selling the volume of parts you want to sell at a profit that pleases you then you are probably within your sweet spot. If you wanted more sales you could lower your price. If you wanted things to be more exclusive or make more profit per part or if you had too much work to handle you could raise the price. You're the seller and you can adjust to the market however you see fit. I'm just a single sample of the market giving you feedback. :)

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The product isn't over priced it may be more than you would want to spend on this product but not over priced. If it were a grill that I could cut simply from one side with no contour it would be a lot cheaper. I value my time and I'm not going to give it away. Do you? I am willing to under value my time to be competitive in a market that is flooded with Chinese crap. Anyone in the machining field can tell you how hard it is to keep there job from going overseas. By saying that this product is over priced you are telling me that my time isn't worth the dollar amount that I put on it. I'm sure that I make less money than 90% of the people that by my product.
Agreed sir... and on a separate note... i really like the look of the polks i have... I'm not sure if it's possible to do, but i think being able to see the speakers would have made for an awesome grill... not sure if this makes sense. I'm a couple hours into allergy meds.

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The product isn't over priced it may be more than you would want to spend on this product but not over priced. If it were a grill that I could cut simply from one side with no contour it would be a lot cheaper. I value my time and I'm not going to give it away. Do you? I am willing to under value my time to be competitive in a market that is flooded with Chinese crap. Anyone in the machining field can tell you how hard it is to keep there job from going overseas. By saying that this product is over priced you are telling me that my time isn't worth the dollar amount that I put on it. I'm sure that I make less money than 90% of the people that by my product.
I don't know you...and I'm sure you don't need someone to take up for you, but I gotta say that just about ANY new product that is "fabricated", invented or a NEW VERSION is offered...you're ALWAYS gonna have someone say it's too expensive, or their gonna try and tell you that YOUR manufacturing and R&D costs are way out of line.

Listen...EVERYthing I buy for this (or any other bike) is expensive. Hell, it's part of the lifestyle. So don't let other's prod you into YOU having to JUSTIFY your cost.

YOU set the cost. If someone wants that part...they buy it. If they don't, then at least don't put down the guy that did all the work.

Bottom line...Everyone's bike is a PERSONAL possession, and no matter how much or how LITTLE you do to make it YOUR bike...YOU DO SOMETHING to make it yours. Some of us spend more money to make our bikes look good, some of us spend only a little...some of us even DO OUR OWN WORK...it doesn't matter how you make your bike YOUR BIKE!

So...this looks like a pretty nice part. I'm considering a set. Are they expensive...yep. Will that stop me...NOPE, I have other things on my list that are ahead of these...We'll see.

I just think its a shame that ANY VENDOR should apologize for or justify their prices.
 

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Would love to be able to reduce the price. However it is just not possible at this point the amount of hours in the machining process. The special tooling required. Not even mentioning the time it took to draw the part up on programming. Or the cost of a machining center to do this type of work on. I guess I am having a hard time with the feedback when I see other products on the market that are manufactured at a similar price range and easier to make. Like floorboards, exhaust tips, handlebars. I appreciate everyone's opinion. I guess if everyone could actually see how much is put into one set of these they might understand a little better. This is not just a flat piece of aluminum. It has to have contour on both sides. We strive to create unique parts that people want to set their bikes apart from the rest. We hope that everyone can see that in our quality products. I love to get something on the cheap, just like everybody else. But there is an old saying. You get what you pay for. I see chrome plastic speaker grills for H-D selling in the $150+ range. CHROME PLASTIC.
Hey we appreciate all of your feedback. And wish we could accommodate the price. But we just can't. Sorry guys.
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Since I'm the one who has posted mostly here I'll assume the last two posts were mainly directed at me. Not sure where you're getting the 'criticism' vibe from. I'm not criticizing the parts or asking anyone to justify why they are priced the way they are. As a Victory owner I'm a potential customer for something like this and I simply said it was priced higher than I would pay for a cosmetic speaker grille. All the justification in the world about why it costs so much to make and why it is priced like that doesn't change the desire for me to own one at the current price. I'm not asking for the price to be lowered either. Sell it as you see fit. I'm sure it's a spectacular product and it is nice someone is making it if there are people out there who want it and are buying it. Good job.

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BigBlue...I didn't even look at names when I posted. Just that I see as soon as someone posts a new product, lots of people jump on the bandwagon about cost. Reading your last post, it actually sounds like we agree. I wasn't directing towards you personally...just in general. I truly apologize if you thought I was targeting you.
 

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Since I'm the one who has posted mostly here I'll assume the last two posts were mainly directed at me. Not sure where you're getting the 'criticism' vibe from. I'm not criticizing the parts or asking anyone to justify why they are priced the way they are. As a Victory owner I'm a potential customer for something like this and I simply said it was priced higher than I would pay for a cosmetic speaker grille. All the justification in the world about why it costs so much to make and why it is priced like that doesn't change the desire for me to own one at the current price. I'm not asking for the price to be lowered either. Sell it as you see fit. I'm sure it's a spectacular product and it is nice someone is making it if there are people out there who want it and are buying it. Good job.

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I don't agree with the word overpriced in my opinion the only things that are overpriced are things that someone NEEDS and can't afford. A luxury item is never over priced. And if you decide to not purchase a product because of it price that is up to you. Buy telling me that I am charging to much is implying that I am taking advantage of the ones that do decide to purchase product from us and in return make them feel like they may be being taken advantage of and steering them away from us.
 

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I don't agree with the word overpriced in my opinion the only things that are overpriced are things that someone NEEDS and can't afford. A luxury item is never over priced. And if you decide to not purchase a product because of it price that is up to you. Buy telling me that I am charging to much is implying that I am taking advantage of the ones that do decide to purchase product from us and in return make them feel like they may be being taken advantage of and steering them away from us.
Thicker skin needed! This is the internet. If my comments (copied below) are the worst thing said about your product you're doing fabulously. By the way, how are sales? If they are great why all the stress over one person's comment?

They seem expensive though for what they are. $289 is a lot of money for a couple of pieces of machined aluminum.
This is my opinion and I stand by it. Not intended to be disparaging, just my assessment.

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Wow, I wish there was a reset button on my post....
I think they look awesome and wanted to show off a new product, and it ended up being a debate on free market capitalism. I don't think I have ever seen the price of a new product on any forum get such debate. I have seen parts that have came up (mostly on HD Forums as I have not been a Vic owner long) that I deemed as "overpriced" and didn't feel the need to post. It was worth the price to the buyer, and they are just wanting to share.
I see where you were coming from BigBlue, it is a lot of money for a cosmetic item. The statement you made that it was more than YOU would pay for the item summed it up. Another member stated they are overpriced, and VB came to their own defense. I don't see anyone else bringing them to market though, so they have more cost to market than others that may come to the game later (by reverse engineering, or importing). I had seen on another forum where someone was planning to make them, but never did. The curvature and mount of the grill is complex and they seem to have given up to go with making "easier" HD grills.
These were some of the first grills to be completed, so sales are yet to be seen. I think those that decide the cost to have a unique custom part will be thrilled with their purchase.
I know I am...
 

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I ran into the same thing about my hand made lowers that I make/sell. A few said they were to pricy and that I copied some else's product. Even tho there are "plastic" lowers out that are more expensive. Although my lowers perform a function and are not just cosmetic. People don't understand what goes into making custom parts and trying to make them reasonable enough for people to afford not to mention what it cost to get them out to the public. The Vic market is a lot smaller than Harley and that has to be taken into consideration as well. For a guy that just does this on the side. I never would have thought my lowers would have taken off like they have. Not everyone is going to be 100% happy with all aspects of a new part, but that's what makes our country great. Everyone can express their opinion. In the end, keep up the great work in getting new parts out to the small Vic market. I think they look awesome!
 
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