Victory Motorcycle Forum banner

1 - 20 of 34 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
13 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
I sold my 04 Kingpin and now have to get a new ride.
I have been set on the Indian Chieftain. I road the new street glide, the Chieftain, The XC. And one to three it would be,Indian, Vic, HD.
Here's another wrench tossed in to the mix.
I found a 2012 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited with 1000 miles on it for $18,000 USD
Now if money was not a factor ,throwing down $23,499 for the Indian would be the choice for me.
I have not yet taken a HD electra glide out on the road.
So those of you that have . And those that have rode the Indian Chieftain also. What would your thoughts be.
I know that it comes down to what is right for me. I would just like a little free back please
 

·
Moderator
Joined
·
13,003 Posts
If I was the guy selling the H-D the only way you would get to ride it is when you bought it and I would say no money back if you don't like it.
No I'm not a prick but I'm not going to let some one ride my bike and beat the crap out of it and then come back a hour later and say no thanks
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
13 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
Did you read the post. I asked for opinion between the two motorcycles. If and when I want to test ride a HD ,I will go to the HD dealer and do so.
Do you have an an honest review ,Your own experience on the two bike.
 

·
Moderator
Joined
·
13,003 Posts
So your a tire kicker and only pretend your buying.
Step up to the plait and buy something.
Who cares what we like or want.
You want a Indian go buy one and be happy you did.
I didn't ask any one when I wanted a vision I went out and road five of then and bought one.
Do a search here and you can find all kinds of post of what guys think of there bikes.One in two thousand wish they never did.

Who are you to come here and ask questions and jump on my **** for telling you what I thought. You don't belong here
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
13 Posts
Discussion Starter #5
Tire kicker you say.
Tuesday I am buying a new bike. If you have nothing to offer why do you open your pie whole and let **** fall out ... I hope the admin bans me form this site .
I wish that a person could post something on here with out some worthless piece of **** commenting on something that is not even relevant to the thread ...Have a nice day.
Dont bother commenting . Im gone
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,228 Posts
faster92... I can give you my opinion...and that's all it is. I'm not an expert opinion giver. I'm a guy that's not into POWER or excessive SPEED. I love to ride, I love to travel and I love gadgets. I presently own a 2012 XCT that I purchased in October 2011. I have test rode a 2009 Ultra, 2010 and a 2011 Ultra. I have test rode a 2014 Indian Chieftain 2 times. So that is the extent of my expertise. Here are my observations in REVERSE order of preference.

Harley Ultra Classics - I have rode 3 years worth of these bikes. And while the test rides usually comprised of an 8-10 mile ride, each time I rode I was disappointed (and one these times is when I owned a 2009 Venture that was a BEAST).

Harley Ultra Classic
Pros - Lots of low end torque
Lots of colors
Lots of bling
Lots of options
Tradition
Cons - Hard riding
Uncomfortable ride, cramped (and I'm short).
Lots of vibration (some may like that, I don't)
Handling was only fair

2014 Indian Chieftain
Pros - Lots of low end torque (more than the Harley)
Tradition (and traditional colors)
Remote Locking Bags and Remote Start
Adjustable power windshield (that's a big one).
Blue Tooth and TPMS built in
More comfortable ride than the Harley
LOTS of gadgets on the bike
Cons - Still a little cramped
Better handling than the Harley, but not as good as the XCT
No touring trunk (I know, an Indian may not look good).
Vibration (not as bad as the HD), which effects the windshield.

Cross Country Tour
Pros - Handling, Handling, Handling
Proven engine reliability
More storage than any other touring bike in the market
LOTS of leg room
Room to grow with engine performance (for some)
Handling, Handling, Handling
Cons - No power windshield!
Hot in the box (Cockpit can get pretty toasty in the summer)
No tradition (yet). :p


Obviously, I am biased. I love my Vic. NO BIKE IS PERFECT. On any bike there will be pros and cons...it whatever pros fit you best and whatever cons you can learn to live with...for me, I'm a XCT fan all the way.

I am NOT interested in test riding another Harley...and I truly wanted to like, love, own an Indian. And I did LIKE the Indian, I just didn't love it and it didn't FIT my style of riding.

Now the rest is up to you...take in what everyone has to say and focus on some of those tips, points, pros and cons and PULL THE FRICKEN TRIGGER. :D:D
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
13,166 Posts
Harley still has the same engine weaknesses they've had since 1999 with the advent of the Twin Cam motor. Small cam chain followers, although better now, a press fit crank than can twist, and a need to invest mega bucks to fix these weaknesses and increase the power, although better now at 103", to a level on par with Victory which just needs a few items to wake up and unleash the available power.

Hey, it's a Victory forum, of course I'm going to give a biased opinion. ;)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
12,203 Posts
Just an old guy here with 6 decades of riding experience. I have owned my XR since March 2010, I have not ridden an Indian, but I have rented many Harleys. So I can't give you lots of tech advice--arkiebiker did a good job of that, I think. I have always bought the bike (or car) the works for me, regardless of what's trendy or what my buddies think and/or ride. I have never owned a Harley because I have rented them and they don't do the job for me. I keep vehicles for at least 10 years, so I have to make a wise decision at purchase time. I don't have the kind of money that allows me to make a mistake and trade it off in a year or two, taking a big depreciation hit. And I only buy that which I can write the check for, especially toys. But that's me, you need to decide which of these three bikes are going to work best for you. So spend wisely my friend.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
784 Posts
If you have to ask,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,:rolleyes:

If you like the HD, get it. If you haven't ridden an Ultra, don't compare A stock 12 to a stock 14. The 14 actually has some gumption, by comparison. HD did a good job of gearing, so you feel their "power". They feel stronger than the Vic in the low end, although I feel it is somewhat deceptive. Despite a lot of fluff from a lot of places, HD did a lot of things right. Some for the consumer, some for the MoCo.
Vic and Indian. Well, depends on how you want it dressed. Indian needs to be completed IMHO. Vision and XCT are already there. Indian has no track record right now.
I'll leave my opinion of Polaris Companies out of it. Not a HD fan either.
Ride it if you can and decide for yourself. Oh and ignore Johnny, works for me.

Cheers
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
530 Posts
Did you read the post. I asked for opinion between the two motorcycles. If and when I want to test ride a HD ,I will go to the HD dealer and do so.
Do you have an an honest review ,Your own experience on the two bike.
I have nothing substantial to add with bike shopping. Seems like the boys did a good job. But I can speak to internet ettiquette. You gave people less then 2 hours to reply to a very opinion based question. No finite response can come quickly from that. Sure Johnny didnt have anything to say. Who cares? Give it time. Its the internet. Youre going to get comments you dont want. Happens. This is actually a pretty decent forum for lack of trolls. Certain exceptions of course. You got what you wanted (hopefully). If its not something you want to hear (read) just ignore it. No sense getting butt hurt and running away. Probably ran to the HD dealership because of what VJ said. Silly...and Im probably ne of the younger punks on here. Just relax man.

Good luck with the hunt.


ps VJ I dont consider you a troll, just playing devils advocate for the sake of the OP.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
13 Posts
Discussion Starter #11
Yes i did get what I wanted. And I would like to apologize to all the descent people on this forum. I did ride the Indian. And I love the Bike..I rode the street glide and was not impressed. I am not a Harley fan. Just thought that for $18,000 and 1000 miles, I might want to consider It. So thank you all for you opinions.
I do think there will be a new chieftain in my garage by weeks end
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
12,203 Posts
Good for you! Be sure to post pics of that new ride. What color have you decided on?
 

·
Administrator
Joined
·
5,947 Posts
Yes i did get what I wanted. And I would like to apologize to all the descent people on this forum. I did ride the Indian. And I love the Bike..I rode the street glide and was not impressed. I am not a Harley fan. Just thought that for $18,000 and 1000 miles, I might want to consider It. So thank you all for you opinions.
I do think there will be a new chieftain in my garage by weeks end
I think the HD would've really made you miss the Kingpin. The Chieftain's a great choice, especially if you're looking to keep the bike a little longer. I know I want a Chieftain badly, but I cannot part with my XR, so I am waiting until I can have both. Do post pics once you get it! cheers
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
31 Posts
Good Call on the Chieftain.

I had demo ridden many, but could'nt find anything that rode like the Vision. But if the funds were there,
I would put a red Chieftain right next to the black Vision. Stay safe out there!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
13 Posts
Discussion Starter #15
Color would be Black or Blue. Man that bought my Kingpin is picking it up Tuesday.
I did think about not selling it and just having both.
I want a bike with a fairing and hard bags...My son moved 6 hours away, so something that is more of a touring cycle would be better for the ride between his house and mine.
I have not ruled out a XC . It is a toss up between the two bikes..

Thanks again All
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
100 Posts
The Chieftain is pretty nice, was my pick of the three. (Chieftain, Vintage, Classic)
Chieftain has some cool bits I would like to have on my XC, but I would not trade for it.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
4,967 Posts
I sold my 04 Kingpin and now have to get a new ride.
I have been set on the Indian Chieftain. I road the new street glide, the Chieftain, The XC. And one to three it would be,Indian, Vic, HD.
Here's another wrench tossed in to the mix.
I found a 2012 HD Electra Glide Ultra Limited with 1000 miles on it for $18,000 USD
Now if money was not a factor ,throwing down $23,499 for the Indian would be the choice for me.
I have not yet taken a HD electra glide out on the road.
So those of you that have . And those that have rode the Indian Chieftain also. What would your thoughts be.
I know that it comes down to what is right for me. I would just like a little free back please
I have an Ultra and for the long haul it's like a sofa just smooth easy miles, gutless and under powered but smooth on the highway.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
86 Posts
I rode the Chieftain and liked it a lot. It's a very, very nice bike. I won't compare it to HD because I'm biased....I'd rather ride a Vespa than HD.

One thing I was surprised at is how different Victory bikes and Indian bikes are. You wouldn't know they are built in the same factory by riding them, but looking at them closely you see a lot of the same design ideas.

Compared to my XCT, the Indian has a lot less leg room. The Indian engine is more powerful and smoother. I liked the Indian tranny better than the Vic tranny, except for the life of me I couldn't find neutral on the Indian.

The fit and finish of the Indian was better. I thought that odd seeing as they are all built in the same factory.

The Chieftain handled very well at all speeds; the XCT handles almost as well though and at road speeds I'm not sure there's a difference.

Both have cable clutches, I wish Polaris would get on the hydraulic bandwagon. The Indian has throttle-by-wire, the Vic a cable throttle. That doesn't bother me much except on cruise control the throttle needs to be free to move on the Vic, I assume it doesn't on the Indian.

Both are belt driven.

The Indian sounds much better than the Vic, if that's a priority.

The radio/sound seems to be about the same, and works the same. It's probably all the same under the cosmetics. I think the Indian has bluetooth and the XCT doesn't, but maybe that's changed.

The XCT has passenger floorboards standard, Indian not. I love the driver floorboards on the XCT, and would miss them a lot if I had the Indian. The Indian does have driver floorboards, they're just not as long or placed the same way. You will need highway pegs. I don't need them on the Vic.

I liked the Indian moveable windshield, they should do that on the XC bikes.

Storage space is no contest, the XCT blows away the Chieftain. I'm sure even if you had no trunk like the XC, you'd have more room on the XC.

The extra headlights (driving lights) on the Indian are sweet. I wish the XCT had integrated lights like that, or at least a decent option (I don't like the police light option).

5 year warranty and roadside assistance on the Indian...much better than what Polaris offered with my Vic.

Passenger comfort, hands down goes the XCT, even with the Indian having a backrest.

Heated grips on the XCT, heated seat. I wasn't sure if the Chieftain had grips, but I'm sure it's not a heated seat.

In summary I like the Indian a lot. I may buy one, maybe even trade in my XCT for one, but not until Indian comes out with a full tour model and I can compare apples to apples. A trunk and lowers are mandatory, and they need to get close to the XCT storage space...that will be difficult. My passenger needs her floorboards, and presumably the trunk will have nice back support to keep her happy. It would be nice if they can get the XCT wind management in there too...that is a great piece of work.

I love my XCT, but it's kind of weird thinking about a different badged bike but from the same company luring me away. They did a great job with the XCT, so they have a long way to go to match that with the Indian. I hope they do.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
5,632 Posts
The Indian has throttle-by-wire, the Vic a cable throttle. That doesn't bother me much except on cruise control the throttle needs to be free to move on the Vic, I assume it doesn't on the Indian.
That's a really original/interesting thought. Finding a place to rest my right hand while using cruise control so as not to affect its operation can be a bit of a PITA.

OTOH, one of our poster's had his Harley's RBW throttle lose communication to the ECU. Not such a great situation either.

Choices...choices.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
1,367 Posts
I rode the Chieftain and liked it a lot. It's a very, very nice bike. I won't compare it to HD because I'm biased....I'd rather ride a Vespa than HD.

One thing I was surprised at is how different Victory bikes and Indian bikes are. You wouldn't know they are built in the same factory by riding them, but looking at them closely you see a lot of the same design ideas.
......................................................................
Have you read this review PakRat?
http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/2014-leather-baggers-shootout
 
1 - 20 of 34 Posts
Top