Victory Motorcycle Forum banner

1 - 20 of 50 Posts

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
5,067 Posts
Interesting.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
71 Posts
I concur. I'm tired and don't want to search much. I did a quick google but didn't find anything. Is there any articles or anything to give this a little support or proof? I believe it but proof helps tellin the HD boys that they aren't all American!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,414 Posts
It would be nice to believe that but what is the source of that "information"? As one of the signature lines says
"You can't believe every quote you read on the internet." - Abraham Lincoln
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
5,067 Posts
It's a competitive world market I'm surprised it's more than 50%.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
837 Posts
This was always a big topic on the Harley boards. They are able to call it an American bike because it is "assembled" in the USA. I always thought that was funny, because my Nissan pickup was assembled in Tennessee but it is called a foreign auto.

SUMMARY: You can bend the facts any way you want to say what you want to sell your product.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
415 Posts
Although I've spent many years on the much adored Harley Davidson marque there comes a time when you step back and say, "I'd like to meet one the engineers who designed this thing so I could punch him in the face!"

For over a decade (even though I rode one) I've had a standing bet with anyone willing to take me up on the offer. All they had to do was walk into any HD dealership and pick up the first accessory that they found, then turn it over and tell me where it was made. If made in the U.S.A. I would hand over a picture of Ben Franklin printed on a piece of government paper, if not then they owed me one. I've never had to pay off on the bet and quite frankly no Harley rider has ever wanted to challenge me on it.

Even my 1988 85th anniversary Glide had wheels on it that were stamped made in Australia.

As vindex1963 stated "It's a competitive world market". The part that bugs the hell out of me is that the company itself markets the brand as American. If they'd just drop that then I wouldn't have as much to bitch about.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
152 Posts
Nissan is not only assembled, many of the parts are manufactured in TN as well... Toyota is in Indiana.

Victory is made in Spirit Lake Iowa... J&P Cycles has us listed as a METRIC bike... HD basically gets their own catalog from them... but then again they have about 12billion% more aftermarket parts then we do.

granted, metric is a superior form of measurement... But the "People" are easily confused and like all good sheep will do as they are told. They will believe that Nissan, Toyota are made in japan and then millions of cars are boated across the ocean, Harleys are made in MERICA but no one could tell you where exactly, just "they made in all of meEEERr-i-ca!! every state!" Where are Vics made? Fuk they just fall from the sky from the magical land of Metric Measurements.

HD was smart... I'll give them that. They have established themselves as the "MEEERICA" bike LONG LONG ago. The only way they will lose that is if they PHSICALLY move their assembly plant down to Mexico to be closer to their manufactured parts. Even then... If they were assembling them with Kline Tools... that might just be enough for people to believe they are an American Bike.... anymore they are just an American Styled Bike.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,292 Posts
Kawasaki's been building scoots here since '85 with the VN750. Did it to dodge the Big Bike Tariff that was saving Harley's bacon. Course, that tariff was lifted the next year, but they were still doing it.
 

·
Moderator
Joined
·
13,254 Posts
In 2000 h-d drop American made cause the government made then do it. In 1979 h-d started putting on foreign made breaks and it has just grown from there. As far as parts go if your see a little gold sticker on the parts or package its foreign made and in some case a company will pay more not to have the sticker on the part. H-D does have a lot of metric bolts on there bikes there the ones that are the same size as SAE. H-D has more patten parts that you will never see cause they have not made them.
If you live in York PA. you should take a tour of h-d to see how they build a bike it really is something to see Tomahawk WI. is where the bagger parts are painted and the vinyl stripping is put on. A human only touches the bike for twelve minuets robots do most of the work.
Then do have a water cooled 3 wheeler a couple water cooled motors and more.
Like all company's its very hard not to go over seas for parts.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
482 Posts
In 2000 h-d drop American made cause the government made then do it. In 1979 h-d started putting on foreign made breaks and it has just grown from there. As far as parts go if your see a little gold sticker on the parts or package its foreign made and in some case a company will pay more not to have the sticker on the part. H-D does have a lot of metric bolts on there bikes there the ones that are the same size as SAE. H-D has more patten parts that you will never see cause they have not made them.

If you live in York PA. you should take a tour of h-d to see how they build a bike it really is something to see Tomahawk WI. is where the bagger parts are painted and the vinyl stripping is put on. A human only touches the bike for twelve minuets robots do most of the work.

Then do have a water cooled 3 wheeler a couple water cooled motors and more.

Like all company's its very hard not to go over seas for parts.

Yes. This is why Harley's are advertised as "The American Legend" and not the American made legend. Also it sounds better.


2012 Vegas 8 ball
Memphis TN
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
5,067 Posts
In 2000 h-d drop American made cause the government made then do it. In 1979 h-d started putting on foreign made breaks and it has just grown from there. As far as parts go if your see a little gold sticker on the parts or package its foreign made and in some case a company will pay more not to have the sticker on the part. H-D does have a lot of metric bolts on there bikes there the ones that are the same size as SAE. H-D has more patten parts that you will never see cause they have not made them.
If you live in York PA. you should take a tour of h-d to see how they build a bike it really is something to see Tomahawk WI. is where the bagger parts are painted and the vinyl stripping is put on. A human only touches the bike for twelve minuets robots do most of the work.
Then do have a water cooled 3 wheeler a couple water cooled motors and more.
Like all company's its very hard not to go over seas for parts.
Brakes, carb and front forks. I had a '79 Superglide.
 

·
Premium Member
Joined
·
537 Posts
Had a buddy that worked for a local manufacturer that made hoses, belts, etc...which sometime went to HD. He told me that they would remove the "made in Mexico" label at the local plant prior to shipping to our American made competitor.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,407 Posts
I would also be surprised if either HD or Vic have more than 50% American content and then you have to ask yourself where did the parts that made the "American" made stuff come from. When my rear shock went out of my XR and the dealer was showing it to me I saw a nice made in china stamp on it, didn't give me that warm and fuzzy feeling. I also own a Silverado assembled in Canada, a Toyota assembled in Indiana (with jap motor and trans) and a Jeep "made in Detroit" with a Mexican engine and a German tranny and owned by an Italian company! I tried the buy America thing but now I buy what is the best value for my money and if I hadn't got my XR for a quarter off the MSRP I would probably be on something else right now.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
5,067 Posts
Back in the day when the Japanese manufacturers came over they brought their suppliers with them and they set up shop here also. Now it's domestic content made by Japanese suppliers. Cool..
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,729 Posts
There was a time where only the true HD diehard would buy only HD. No matter what else was available. The difference is back in the day they were true to the bike and MOCO. Companies like Honda and Suzuki ruled the roads and the sales. That time was the 70's and 80's

Today HD is king of sales and the owners are true to the lifestyle. Yes the bikes are better and more available than the past. Everyone wants to have one or think YOU should have one. It's going to take time for Vic to be a recognized an AMERICAN brand. In 2yrs Polaris brought back the best Indian ever produced and automatically it is recognized as the other choice in American motorcycles. Advertisement is everything today and both companies did their job. I still find myself explaining that my Victory is not a Canadian brand! Why because Polaris dropped the fucking ball here! :mad:

In Daytona, Indian is plastered all over the place! literally everywhere! Jumbo screens on main street and banners everywhere. Walk in a bar and the flat screens are rolling Indian advertisement. My wife even made a comment as to "wow! Polaris is going to town on this bike! where's all the Victory advertisement?" "Are they going to stop making them now?" This is what people perceive. In sight in mind. You can argue this but it looks like Polaris is treating Victory as a redheaded Chinese eyed step child. 15yrs has come to this so what does it take to be recognized as an American motorcycle? The only one that has competed with HD for the last 15yrs.

Forget American made Boys and girls at least in motor vehicles. the new terminology is American Brand and it is only that if the advertisers shove it in your face and stuff it down your throat till you buy enough of it! Then and only then is it recognized as something American !

As for the HD owner, builder, wannabe and especially sales person, Shame on you for not being educated enough to know the difference and trying to sell you product based on it being the only American bike. You above all as Americans should be proud of the fact that AMERICAN manufacturing is still alive and that Polaris is your American competition! Not Canadian! You sound ignorant to those who know and you will sound worse when those that do not know find out the truth. You are bashing because its a better bike. At the Demos in Daytona many HD owners took a ride on the tourer's only to come back screwed up wondering how they will tell their friends they want to trade in their Harley. One guy said he rode here on a hog but he might riding home on a Victory.

Oh I'm sorry, Was I ranting?
 

·
Moderator
Joined
·
13,254 Posts
If Polaris didn't plaster Indian all over the place there investment would crash and die. Like harley you have to drum it into are heads so thats all we think about and wind up buying.
How many times have you bought something at the store not cause you wanted it its cause you have seen it so much on TV that you were brain washed.
Harley is so big that they don't advertise that much cause every one it wearing a shirt or jacket that says harley even if they don't ow-en one.
The first vision frame was sand casted in Plymouth Mn. Not sure if there still making them
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
415 Posts
I agree with slickvic. The manufacturers have done a great job of brainwashing and the American public has been indoctrinated into that brainwashing successfully for at least a couple of generations. Not just by the motorcycle manufacturers mind you, the banks and the government have had an even larger hand in setting us up to believe what we're told. Simply ask a non-gun person if an "assault weapon" is a machine gun or not.

In the month that I've been on a Victory I've found a LOT of animosity towards Victory from at least 50% of Harley owners. I think they might subliminally see Victory as a threat to their cherished brand.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
5,067 Posts
I agree with slickvic. The manufacturers have done a great job of brainwashing and the American public has been indoctrinated into that brainwashing successfully for at least a couple of generations. Not just by the motorcycle manufacturers mind you, the banks and the government have had an even larger hand in setting us up to believe what we're told. Simply ask a non-gun person if an "assault weapon" is a machine gun or not.

In the month that I've been on a Victory I've found a LOT of animosity towards Victory from at least 50% of Harley owners. I think they might subliminally see Victory as a threat to their cherished brand.
Seems Vic owners have the same animosity toward Harley just read a few posts seems one crops up every week.
 
1 - 20 of 50 Posts
Top