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Hey Bob...

I know you have done some mods to the heat shields since you first introduced them...

Can you list any other modifications or improvements on the shields...or better yet, maybe a HISTORY of the changes since the creation of these shields. I know one change was the use of the sheet metal that layered between the leather wings. Any actual design changes?

http://azleather.webs.com/apps/webstore/products/show/3365046

They DO make a difference and I am think I am ready to purchase another one from you.

Thanks,

Wally
 

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Oh, Hey Arkie!

Yeah. Sorry. I've been kinda involved in politics lately with all the stuff going on.

The sheet metal is still layered in between layers of leather I went to a little thinner sheet metal that may not be doing the job like it should so I will be using a thicker kind or maybe doubling up on the thinner stuff to use it up as long as it still works like that. I have a much better leather stitching machine now that I will probably never break even on but I use it for many other things like holsters and stuff. The thread is thicker and the stitching holes are generally farther apart.

The basic design is pretty much the same though. With feedback from good folks like yourself and others I made the front space wider so there would be more adjustibility. I'm going to try and put your idea about using the tank bolts as index points so they only go on in one position if someone chooses to use them that way. Maybe even use a removable snap on piece.

I've read and seen pictures of some folks using them differently than I intended but I figure if it works better for them that way then all the better.

I'm getting a low back surgery done again in a couple of weeks so that will put me out of action for a while. As soon as I can sit up comfortably though; I will be spending more time in the leather shop.
 

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So, would you want an order now or later. Just let me know.

And good luck with the surgery too.

Thanks.

Wally
 

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No, I can wait. But I definitely want to order. I don't have the one with the metal in it...I think that would be a pretty good improvement to have. Maybe you'll have time to incorporate the bolt modification as a register point.

Thanks Bob. Again, I hope you have a good surgery and quick recovery.
 

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Bbob,
Sounds like you've got a worse case of maintainers back then I do or you lucked out and found a doc that was willing to do more than prescribe pain killers. Wishing you a successful surgery and a quick recovery!
 

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No, I can wait. But I definitely want to order. I don't have the one with the metal in it...I think that would be a pretty good improvement to have. Maybe you'll have time to incorporate the bolt modification as a register point.

Thanks Bob. Again, I hope you have a good surgery and quick recovery.
I'll go ahead and make the first one for you Arkie at half off since you already bought one of the earlier models. I'll PM you when it's done. :)

Bbob,
Sounds like you've got a worse case of maintainers back then I do or you lucked out and found a doc that was willing to do more than prescribe pain killers. Wishing you a successful surgery and a quick recovery!
Yeah. Can't stand pain pills. They dumb me down and I don't need any more help with that since I do well with it on my own. :D
 

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Bob... Message me your PayPal email address... And Thank You!

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Oh, Hey Arkie!

Yeah. Sorry. I've been kinda involved in politics lately with all the stuff going on.

The sheet metal is still layered in between layers of leather I went to a little thinner sheet metal that may not be doing the job like it should so I will be using a thicker kind or maybe doubling up on the thinner stuff to use it up as long as it still works like that. I have a much better leather stitching machine now that I will probably never break even on but I use it for many other things like holsters and stuff. The thread is thicker and the stitching holes are generally farther apart.

The basic design is pretty much the same though. With feedback from good folks like yourself and others I made the front space wider so there would be more adjustibility. I'm going to try and put your idea about using the tank bolts as index points so they only go on in one position if someone chooses to use them that way. Maybe even use a removable snap on piece.

I've read and seen pictures of some folks using them differently than I intended but I figure if it works better for them that way then all the better.

I'm getting a low back surgery done again in a couple of weeks so that will put me out of action for a while. As soon as I can sit up comfortably though; I will be spending more time in the leather shop.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery. Hopefully, I will order a set before next summer.
 

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OK..I got my HEAT SHIELDS from BBob the other and installed them this morning. Fantastic is all I can say!!!

Bob, they not only look great, but these fit perfectly and the ability to "mold" the wings is a huge improvement.

My only complaint is that tomorrow it's supposed to be in the 20's and I NEED heat to test them. LOL Actually, I already know they work, so I am set for awhile now.

Thanks Bob for the quality job you did on these.

Wally
 

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Thanks Bob...and the shields make it look even better...can't wait for SUMMER to roll back around. Thanks again.
 

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Thanks again to those who wished me well on my back surgery. It seems to have gone well up until the recovery room. I got one of them Nurse Ratchet's from hell. God she was horrible. I woke up in terrible pain due to her insistence in me staying the night and be admitted even though my doctor, his PA, the anesthesiologist and myself had already formulated and agreed on the plan for me to go home ASAP after the surgery which is where I am now. Finally the anesthesia doctor stepped in and made sure I received the correct pain meds via IV. What should have been a 1.5 stay in the recovery room turned out to be 5 hours. Of course the pain came back an hour into a 2 hour ride home. I don't want to but her bosses are going to receive a formal letter of complaint. This is not a young new nurse. She is over 50 and thinks she knows more than everyone combined. In my opinion nurses like that are a detriment to society and have no business being in contact with patients; humans or otherwise (like pets).

So anyway, outside of the bad nurse, all went well. Thanks again for caring and I'm glad you're happy with your shield Wally. thumb up cheers
 

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BBob:

1) Glad to hear that you're recovering nicely. That should go without saying, but, there, I said it.

2) Sorry about Nurse Rachet (actually "Rached" -- great book and movie). I'm with you, about letting institutions know about both good and bad experiences and services. How else they gonna learn?

3) Re your heat shields, I have the following suggestions or questions:

A) Any chance that you could cover the outside in something that matches the stock seat material, i.e., textured, "puffy," vinyl? Or would this not be practical, for reasons of heat?

B) I would like to see them a little wider (I think).

C) I like your idea of putting holes for ease of proper alignment.

D) Of course, as an owner of one for a while, I'd like to see a discount for repeat customers (possibly coupled with a trade-in, trade-up, plan).

Your thoughts?
 

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Bill; thanks for the feedback on everything. I did point out how well everyone else was in my letter.

Of course I will work with you on updating your shield. Let me heal up a bit; then I will PM you with the info on where to send it.
 

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Re your heat shields, I have the following suggestions or questions......


I would like to see them a little wider (I think).
I would agree with this as well, think they would be a bit more effective if just a touch wider.
 

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OK...here's my 2 cents worth. I have been using Bob's shields since their inception. I beta tested for Bob. Furthermore, this is the 3rd version I have installed on my bike. Each generation has improved from the previous generation...needless to say, I like them. They HELP the problem of heat in the cockpit/seat areas, but in my opinion NOTHING will fix it (including Victory). It's the nature of the bike (you ARE sitting on an engine)...all TOURING bikes have this problem.

So my take on the design is that I believe they are about as effective as they can be given that there are not many options for "directing or diverting" the heat away. Would wider be better? It might be, but if Bob decides to do that, I would recommend that the he widen them only slightly because you still have to consider the "aesthetics" and lines of the bike.

For now, Bob has the only GREAT way of assisting in a more comfortable ride. I believe the ULTIMATE solution would be for Victory (or Kuryakyn) to design an ABS mountable version of a heat deflector. Even the BEST leather (and well maintained) will eventually start to degrade due to the extreme temperatures and drying of the leather.

But that is just me. :)
 

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Well said Wally (Arkie)! I agree with all of it. :)

Just as a reminder to all; I started doing this because I too was having some heat issues with the stock Vic lowers so I made a set. Someone else wanted some, then others, so I went ahead and decided to keep making them and improving them along the way. Sometimes people ask why I don't patent them. I wouldn't know who's name to put it under because so many have helped to make it better a little at a time.

In other words; I'm just a fellow Vic XC rider trying to help out my fellow riders.

It has been fun to learn more and more about leathercraft though and improve on techniques along the way.

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Agree with everything said in the last two posts. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the product, just figured if Bob was looking to continue to tinker I'd try slightly larger.
 
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